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Windows 11 Pros & Cons
January 1, 2024
10:03 am
Dean
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I've been putting off transitioning from Windows 10 to Windows 11 for quite some time now. Windows 11 is available Free for me (and all other Windows 10 owners?).

My original reason for procrastinating was to let Microsoft work all the bugs out of Windows 11, before I made the jump ... but I'm guessing that has Long Since happened by now.

Does anyone here have any issues with Windows 11 ? . . .

    - Any difficulties making the transition?
    - Any thoughts on going back to Windows 10?
    - Your Pros & Cons on Windows 11?

What say you?

Thanks,

    Dean

P.S.
I am aware that Microsoft will stop supporting
Windows 10 next year, on October 14, 2025.
I'm also aware of the rumors that Windows 12
'might' be coming out, sometime later this year.

P.P.S.
Happy New Year, ehsf-smile

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January 1, 2024
11:21 am
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macOS hands down will be superior to any version of Microsoft Windows. Take a look at buying a MacMini.

January 1, 2024
11:45 am
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Hmmm ... that didn't take long. sf-confused

I have Absolutely No Interest in any *&^%$# suggestions that I ditch my perfectly good PC, and replace it with some other product ... and I made no such request !

    Dean

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January 1, 2024
12:08 pm
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The cons are basically you will spend more time trying to disable all the various ways they try to gather information on you or use your computers resources.

They try to make you have a microsoft login, but you can find ways to avoid that if you research it.

If you take the time you can revert the look and feel back to win10 feeling.

I see no reason to upgrade. You may find some components of the OS have been removed or now require a microsoft account, for no reason other than to track and push you towards using their cloud products.

Win11 was significantly faster than win10 initially, but that has changed with all the updates.

The longer you wait is always better and never "upgrading" if you don't have to is best.

I personally have no advantage on win11 vs 10 and do find 11 more annoying and intrusive on computers I use with it.

If patterns remain consistent, win12 will be better than 11 and 11 will soon be forgotten.

So IMO, if you get a PC with 11 installed, that's fine, but until there is a requirement to do so, I wouldn't upgrade to it.

January 1, 2024
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serendipity said
macOS hands down will be superior to any version of Microsoft Windows. Take a look at buying a MacMini.  

That may, or may not, be the case. At any rate, Apple products remain a one-way street in my opinion. To me, it is an extremely closed off, self-contained environment and as such is not appealing to me as an end-user. Alas, suum cuique. It also doesn't address Dean's question.

To the actual query at hand:
TL;DR: I see no reason to prolong the move from Win10 to Win11.

@Dean
I was a WinXP to Win7 holdout (I still run a desktop with XP, offline), then a Win7 to Win10 holdout as well (Win8 and Win8.1 were trash for desktop applications; good riddance). As you can tell, I tend to hesitate and sometimes this works out alright. However, the jump from Win10 to Win11 is minimal in UI change, much of which can be changed/mitigated if you are so inclined. If there is something you really like about Win10, an app or program, see if it remains available in Win11. There were some changes in supported apps and programs and their availability. I've never regretted making the upgrade to Win11 on my desktop nor buying the laptop with Win11 pre-installed.

You're also likely to get another upgrade offer from Win11 to Win12 when the time comes (assuming that your machine has the pre-requisite hardware requirements). And as you can see from my slow-as-molasses upgrading, we all eventually end up with a 'new' version. Why delay the inevitable and make yourself vulnerable in the meantime? Not as though the baddies out there are slowing down or giving you a hesitancy bonus either.

Cheers!

Pirithous

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January 1, 2024
12:19 pm
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You’ll spend less time looking at blue screens and continue to do updates that work and fail…work and fail…..

My opinion is based on being a Windows user for decades until I woke up 7 years ago. Remember that old Apple commercial where they thanked Microsoft for developing Windows? What they inferred was so true.

Just trying to save Dean some money and lots of time over the years to come.

January 1, 2024
12:38 pm
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I have two identical mini-PCs I bough at the same time. They came with Windows 10. I upgraded one of them to Windows 11, left another with Windows 10 just to see what will be the difference between them.

These are budget type computers: 8GB RAM, Celeron type CPU, but with SSD drive.

They are both used for basic home office tasks, email, Internet browsing. I don't see much difference between them, in performance and in stability.

> - Any difficulties making the transition?

Not at all.

> - Any thoughts on going back to Windows 10?

No. Why?

> - Your Pros & Cons on Windows 11?

The pros for me is having Microsoft support after October 2025. As it were with previous Windows versions, Microsoft may discontinue support for its services such as OneDrive and even for Outlook email client on Windows 10 soon after that date. My household does depend on these services.

The cons? Can't find any. Whatever software I have on Win10 mini-PC runs on Win11 mini-PC. Both are stable.

January 1, 2024
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serendipity said
You’ll spend less time looking at blue screens and continue to do updates that work and fail…work and fail…..

My opinion is based on being a Windows user for decades until I woke up 7 years ago. Remember that old Apple commercial where they thanked Microsoft for developing Windows? What they inferred was so true.

Just trying to save Dean some money and lots of time over the years to come.  

i have iphone and ipad for my mobile need. For desktop, no chance i will use a Mac.
Agree with others the IOS ecosystem is a one way street, iphones and ipad are overpriced compare to android equivalent, but since I am used to IOS and can afford it, I just keep using it. My loyalty has nothing to do with Apple being a superior product cuz it isnt.

Windows has its quirks but its Microsoft and still powers the most number of PC in the world. I will switch to Linux before I go down the rabbit hole and get MacOS. MacOS is way too much of a black box, not for me.

Back to Win11 vs Win10, the cons are always the same: Microsoft takes every opportunity to try to switch your browser, nothing new lol

January 1, 2024
1:29 pm
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savemoresaveoften said

Back to Win11 vs Win10, the cons are always the same: Microsoft takes every opportunity to try to switch your browser, nothing new lol  

If you want to see who wants to switch you to their browser in most annoying way, make Microsoft Edge your default browser and use it to visit Google pages such as search, maps, etc.
No matter how many times you already clicked on "No" in pop-ups offering to switch browser to Chrome, Google will keep nagging you.

January 1, 2024
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Also, if interested but reluctant to switch to Windows 11 from Windows 10, check this article: Windows 11: Give yourself more time to roll back the upgrade

January 1, 2024
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I find Windows 11 fine except for the OneDrive program component which has duplicated to excess files and folders both on the PC and on OneDrive backup site. I did delete OneDrive in the programs but it has still left a bit of a mess. I guess my option is to backup my folders and files on to a USB and then reinstall Windows 11 from scratch to give me a clean start. Likely other PC users have had the same issue with OneDrive.

January 1, 2024
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I was forced to transition to Windows 11 when my previous computer died. This is the first new version of Windows that I can remember where I don't miss any aspects of the previous version, and I like the differences.

January 1, 2024
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savemoresaveoften said i have iphone and ipad for my mobile need. For desktop, no chance i will use a Mac.
Agree with others the IOS ecosystem is a one way street, iphones and ipad are overpriced compare to android equivalent, but since I am used to IOS and can afford it, I just keep using it. My loyalty has nothing to do with Apple being a superior product cuz it isnt.

Windows has its quirks but its Microsoft and still powers the most number of PC in the world. I will switch to Linux before I go down the rabbit hole and get MacOS. MacOS is way too much of a black box, not for me.

I also use an iPhone, but keep my PCs on Windows. I just don't like the closed environment. I may have to update to Win10 or 11 in the near future. Evidently, Steam will no longer work with Win7 Pro in a few months. Thank goodness I am not heavily invested in their games. I still have the discs and installers for the software I really want to play. sf-smile

January 2, 2024
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HermanH said

savemoresaveoften said i have iphone and ipad for my mobile need. For desktop, no chance i will use a Mac.
Agree with others the IOS ecosystem is a one way street, iphones and ipad are overpriced compare to android equivalent, but since I am used to IOS and can afford it, I just keep using it. My loyalty has nothing to do with Apple being a superior product cuz it isnt.

Windows has its quirks but its Microsoft and still powers the most number of PC in the world. I will switch to Linux before I go down the rabbit hole and get MacOS. MacOS is way too much of a black box, not for me.

I also use an iPhone, but keep my PCs on Windows. I just don't like the closed environment. I may have to update to Win10 or 11 in the near future. Evidently, Steam will no longer work with Win7 Pro in a few months. Thank goodness I am not heavily invested in their games. I still have the discs and installers for the software I really want to play. sf-smile  

If you are not using Windows 10 or 11, are you using Windows 8 or 7?

January 2, 2024
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I use Win7 Pro on my laptop.

January 2, 2024
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I have heard that some "legacy" type programs that work on Windows 10 don't work on 11, such as some older computer games and other old software programs, the kind that usually need compatibility mode to be set. Has anybody found this?

Only one of my desktop computers meets Windows 11 system requirements, however I haven't made the switch because there isn't any improvement that interests me.

Interesting links:
1: Features removed in Windows 11:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Windows_11
2: Setting up a Windows 11 computer:
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/technology/windows-11-do-these-six-things-right-away-after-you-finish-setup/ar-AA1llv7r?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=27f7cced6b7e4881d7792ca67fd26b86&ei=34
3: A Good Summary of + and - from Tom's Guide that mentions legacy programs briefly (note, the article is 11 months old):
https://www.tomsguide.com/features/should-i-upgrade-to-windows-11-what-you-need-to-know

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January 3, 2024
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HermanH said
I use Win7 Pro on my laptop.  

I am still using Windows 7 (I think it is the Pro version) on my desktop. I'm having problems accessing some sites.

Are you having any issues with your laptop?

January 3, 2024
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My Win7 Pro laptop has had a few hiccups, such as turning itself off. I don't know if it is a mechanical issue or software. I have not had any problem gaining access to any website. Only Steam has arbitrarily decided that their software will no longer run on Win7, for me.

January 3, 2024
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COIN said

I am still using Windows 7 (I think it is the Pro version) on my desktop. I'm having problems accessing some sites.

. . .  

I was a Big Fan of Windows 7, and stuck with it right to the Very End when Microsoft stopped supporting/upgrading it, back in Jan. 2020.

To be having problems with it now is not surprising. And Even Worse are the 'Security Risks' of using an old outdated OS that hasn't been supported or updated for several years now. It's kind of like playing Russian Roulette with most of the chambers loaded.

It's Long past due to Upgrade, eh ! sf-smile

    Dean

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January 3, 2024
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Dean said

COIN said

I am still using Windows 7 (I think it is the Pro version) on my desktop. I'm having problems accessing some sites.

. . .  

I was a Big Fan of Windows 7, and stuck with it right to the Very End when Microsoft stopped supporting/upgrading it, back in Jan. 2020.

To be having problems with it now is not surprising. And Even Worse are the 'Security Risks' of using an old outdated OS that hasn't been supported or updated for several years now. It's kind of like playing Russian Roulette with most of the chambers loaded.

It's Long past due to Upgrade, eh ! sf-smile

    Dean

  

I couldn't/wouldn't survive without Open Shell, the program which keeps me in lookalike Windows 7 mode. Upgrading to current secure Windows 10 made easier, IMO.

https://open-shell.github.io/Open-Shell-Menu/

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