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The 'BLOAT' At The CRA :-(
April 19, 2025
9:39 am
canadian.100
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Dean said

Interesting ... but the two are not really comparable.

Canada is a Large 'Country' in North America, with many Provinces & Territories. Singapore is but a small City State, located on the tip of the Malayan peninsula in South Asia.

It's like trying to compare Apples with Mangos, or Guava. sf-wink

    Dean

  

Singapore has about 6 million people - not exactly "small" population wise as a city/state. PEI in Canada is a province with 160,000 people - which is absurd.
The truth is Canadians are taxed to the gills and the country (federal and provincial govts) continues to chock up big deficits and accumulating higher Debt. Not much hope of taxes coming down in Canada - certainly not with a Liberal govt.

April 19, 2025
10:04 am
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Dean said

Interesting ... but the two are not really comparable.

That's right. "Mainland" Singapore is around 50 km east to west and 30 km north to south.

If there was a trans-Singapore highway, one could drive it in less than an hour at 50 km/h. In contrast, the Trans-Canada Highway would take days to drive even at 100 km/h.

April 19, 2025
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Norman1 said

Dean said

Interesting ... but the two are not really comparable.

That's right. "Mainland" Singapore is around 50 km east to west and 30 km north to south.

If there was a trans-Singapore highway, one could drive it in less than an hour at 50 km/h. In contrast, the Trans-Canada Highway would take days to drive even at 100 km/h.  

It's amazing and sad at the same time that these things need to be explained.

April 19, 2025
12:17 pm
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Singapore has its own issues. It's run as a benevolent dictatorship.

Canada’s taxation problem is that qualified young people who are not particularly well off and want to work hard get taxed to death and see few incentives while CRA staff are by and large incompetent, lazy and growing in numbers superfast. We don’t need Singapore to see that it's a wrong.

April 19, 2025
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Generally true but regardless, any comparison to Singapore is utterly bogus.

April 19, 2025
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JohnnyCash said

It's amazing and sad at the same time that these things need to be explained.

Yup ⬆

It has started to happen . . .

    Dean

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April 20, 2025
2:38 pm
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To Funny . . .

We went from "The 'BLOAT' At The CRA" to "Singapore", in Less than Two Days ❗

I think that's a new record for us ... LOL sf-laugh

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April 21, 2025
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usephrase said
If you find a job at the government, your life will be so easy, your pay will be very good, plus pensions benefits...
Should fire more than 50% of them.
Most of government divisions or organizations should be shut down, let all of them go.  

I went to my local public library (I think run by the municipality) yesterday and the big sign on the door said closed Friday (Good Friday), closed Saturday and Sunday (normally open) closed Monday (Easter Monday).

I say no more.

April 21, 2025
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Singapore might be smaller, their productivity is high per wikipedia. Their dollar is not weak.

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Where are the tax slips? It is hard to explain why quality of service go opposite with enlarged workforce. CRA did drop the ball this tax season no matter which other nation you like to compare to. But yeah, COIN, Singapore is a bar too high to reach.

April 21, 2025
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CRA dropped the ball this year what with all their revisions they threw at financial institutions late in the game. It has been havoc with FIs getting their electronic data accepted by CRA.

However, we all should have all of our tax slips now directly from financial institutions, either online in PDF form or mailed via Canada Post. We have what we need to input into tax software for filing purposes regardless of what has gone off the rails between slip issuers and CRA.

April 21, 2025
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AltaRed said
CRA dropped the ball this year what with all their revisions they threw at financial institutions late in the game. It has been havoc with FIs getting their electronic data accepted by CRA.

However, we all should have all of our tax slips now directly from financial institutions, either online in PDF form or mailed via Canada Post. We have what we need to input into tax software for filing purposes regardless of what has gone off the rails between slip issuers and CRA.  

I don’t think I have all my tax slips (online or mailed). I will have to rely on the CRA to do its job this year.

April 21, 2025
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UkrainianDude said

I don’t think I have all my tax slips (online or mailed). I will have to rely on the CRA to do its job this year.

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April 21, 2025
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UkrainianDude said

I don’t think I have all my tax slips (online or mailed). I will have to rely on the CRA to do its job this year.  

Same here UkrainianDude.

I expect more re-assessments than last year due to slip mismatching.

Many banks said they already submitted the slips to the CRA long time ago. I think the slips gotta be sitting somewhere in the CRA data centre. I am calling the CRA to extend the filing deadline until they got them posted to the public.

Last year, I got my Notice of Assessment 2 days after NETFILE. For those who netfiled, would you share how long it took this year?

April 21, 2025
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SaverJunior said

Many banks said they already submitted the slips to the CRA long time ago. I think the slips gotta be sitting somewhere in the CRA data centre. I am calling the CRA to extend the filing deadline until they got them posted to the public.

A Globe & Mail article a few weeks ago explained the situation. The uploads were rejected.

CRA had sent out e-mail confirmations that the uploads were received. Issuers thought that was it for 2024. CRA later found issues with the uploads and rejected them.

For some reason, issuers didn't receive any notification of the rejections!

April 21, 2025
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Does CRA system have any issue when we submit our Tax Returns through the Certificated Tax Software online?
I will login CRA to confirm after I file the Tax Return.

April 21, 2025
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What I've read so far are about issues around the information slip uploads. For example, the uploads of T3, T4, and T5 slips from employers and financial institutions.

Haven't read anything yet about NETFILE or EFILE being broken.

April 22, 2025
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Nor have I seen any issue about Efile and Netfile being broken. I got my Express NOA almost immediately. Spouse has yet to get her NOA through Canada Post (she doesn't interact with CRA MyAccount).

CRA won't do tax slip matching for months yet and by that time, presumably the issues Norman1 mentioned, i.e. uploads from issuers to CRA, will have been resolved. And if not, CRA won't be able to match something they don't have with something the taxpayer has reported via their tax return....which is the better way to have the problem for the taxpayer.

April 22, 2025
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Maybe Canada-Australia is a better comparable than Canada-Singapore. I used Canada-Singapore basically because I like my Singaporean friend.

Anybody familiar with Australia?

It's difficult to say whether Canada is good or bad when we don't compare it to other countries. It's like having the Olympics and you are the only country competing.

April 23, 2025
4:11 am
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    Yes ... of course.

Comparing Canada with Australia would make Much More Sense, than comparing it with the small city state of Singapore.

But then ... that really isn't what this thread/topic (The BLOAT At The CRA) is about, anywayz.

Once again, we have veered 'Way Off Course' ... LOL sf-laugh

My Two Centavos,

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April 23, 2025
5:37 am
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Well, in 1993-2004 UK they had HMRC rather than CRA and there was zero “bloat”.

An employee with a savings/pension accounts didn’t need to submit a tax return, it was all automated. Banks and employers reported income and HMRC dealt with it. You could challenge of course if they got something wrong but they never did.

Only self-employed or people who realized capital gains would have to submit returns. Tax bands were easy to remember; a single set which went from zero to 40%. There was none of the pre-election BS in the form of newspaper/sports activity/transportation credits, pension sharing, etc.

Gargantuan Canadian taxation system came as a bit of a shock and it got worse since.

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