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September 13, 2021
12:47 pm
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Amazon canada are wanting to hire 15,000 new employees by years end. The wage range is up to $21.65 per hour.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/amazon-to-hire-15-000-employees-across-canada-increase-wages-1.5582942

Let's do a comparison shall we? A gm production worker was making $35 per hour, and gm was making a nice profit. Along comes JERRY.

Unifor (a supposed union)... in an attempt to save 300 jobs in oshawa after losing 22,000 paid positions, unifor agreed to lower a new production employees wage to $23 per hour.

https://www.narcity.com/toronto/general-motors-jobs-in-oshawa-are-booming-with-so-many-positions-available

I, having spent 30 years in the auto industry, can honestly tell you, you'd be much better off taking a job at amazon paying $22 an hour than having to crawl in and out of a vehicle every 45 seconds.

JERRY job well done.

September 13, 2021
4:16 pm
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Good point!!

Coming from working as a Operations Manager in a large warehouse for a major NON union retailer. We had different job levels.
MH1
MH2
MH3
MH4
MH5
MH = Material Handling

MH5 was top rate and would include driving machinery or have a trade level like appliance repair, furniture refurbishing etc.

MH4 may be a stepping stone or more like for loading or unloading freight. BUT even in no operation of machinery they also where MH5.

MH1,2,3 may have been used at a store with no machinery and was mis used just to keep payroll down.

Then there were some with merit and then supervisory.

So what I am getting at.....at Amazon what are the bulk of the employees position wise called and what is their start rate and end rate??

What are the expectations of shift work and shift pay differential? Is that in or out of the average wages stated? Likely in.

Then what happens to wages/pricing once the Canadian government has Amazon paying their taxes once the loop holes are patched?

And did the press find the best rates based on a Canadian location (one that had to pay higher rates due to other warehouses in that location and or higher paid union rates close by)? Where the wages stated from a union or non union building. Or it is a true average. Some provinces in my case paid higher rates within the same job code.

Don't get me wrong if those are the average rates that some one can attain in a year or 2 then....go for it.

September 13, 2021
4:47 pm
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September 13, 2021
5:14 pm
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Hi Loonie.

In the 80's, the repetitive nature of doing the same "thing" over and over again led to heavy drug use and alcoholism for many of those who worked on the automotive assembly line. Never mind the bottle (post 3) workers did it on the floor, and the paint shop was the worst example of this. The floor under the paint sprayers feet was a grate over a raging waterfall, this water drew the excessive paint and over spray, down, out of the air.

If i were young, in need of a job, Amazon is where I'd seriously look. Gm oshawa is a temporary job at best. The future of the pickup truck is going to be 100% electric, maybe hydrogen. While the plant in the states is being retooled to make a rechargeable truck, oshawa was tooled to make the combustion engine model to fill the current demand gap.

So.. if gm didn't take an American truck plant offline to retool it, there would have been no need for the oshawa plant to build anything.

September 13, 2021
5:24 pm
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Sad story, Kidd.

September 13, 2021
5:29 pm
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It's why the job paid so well. No education required. In the 90's, gm turned a huge corner due to quality issues and foreign competition. Robots replaced 1,000s of workers.

September 13, 2021
5:58 pm
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Re post #1, wasn't and isn't Dias freely elected by the members?

Speaking of electric vehicles, maybe Ontario Hydro's a good blue chip to consider, current dividend yield around 3.4% I believe. And I think its grid is currently far from ready for load of all EVs, lots of expansion to do.

September 13, 2021
6:25 pm
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Dias... there's the national union and their president and then the locals. Workers in plants, vote for their local leadership.

Believe it or not, unions reps work in loyal cut throat teams to get elected. An individual running for a position, doesn't stand a chance. If you're kicked from your team, you've lost. It's beyond political.

The national union is a different kettle of fish. Bob White and buzz Hargrove worked together throughout the caw/uaw split. When bob left, buzz was believed to be the obvious choice because of the storms he and bob weathered. Ken lewenza was next.

Unifor was never an automotive union, the auto workers in canada would've been better served if they rejoining the uaw. Jerry is a lost cause, he's a fool with liberal party ambitions.

September 13, 2021
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Part 2.

The infrastructure spending to go electric is beyond my understanding. Your house may need to increase the size of its electrical service to 200 amps. Charging stations need to be built in mass, everywhere.

Years ago, at every major intersection you had 4 gas stations. Gulf, esso, Texaco, fina, Sunoco, bp to name a few. Gas stations were built and paid for by the gas companies. The profits from the pumps went back to the company.

I worry, the Canadian tax payer will be paying for all the charging stations and someone else will be getting the profits. Another government burden i don't want to bear.

If you love Canadian history. The feds bought all of those gas stations, they bought all the refineries, and then they created petro canada. Then, having too much refining capacity, they shut down most of the refineries. That's why we have no refineries today. Ralph Goodale, a man who spent most of his teenage years in grade 6, gave petro canada away for pennies on the dollar.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/ottawa-to-sell-petro-canada-stake-1.495915

Those living in toronto knows of, the 407, the dome stadium, gas fired power plants in Oakville. Petro canada was the same deal. Let's buy it, let's build it for billions and sell it for a few magic beans.

September 13, 2021
7:18 pm
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Kidd said
Amazon canada are wanting to hire 15,000 new employees by years end. The wage range is up to $21.65 per hour.

From a nation of creators and builders to a nation of deliverymen for products fabricated by other nations.

September 13, 2021
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Kidd said
Part 2.

The infrastructure spending to go electric is beyond my understanding. Your house may need to increase the size of its electrical service to 200 amps. Charging stations need to be built in mass, everywhere.

I thought I read somewhere that there was a certain temperature at which batteries discharge at the same rate they re-charge. I thought it was about -30 C, or so.

Has anyone else heard of any such thing?

Supposedly, at that temperature, the rate of energy sent into the battery discharges at the same rate into the surrounding environment for a net increase of zero.

September 13, 2021
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Part I don't get: If you're taking a road trip it takes a few minutes to fill your tank and you're on your way again. With electric, do you have to stop for a half-hour (or even a few hours) to recharge every few hundred miles?

September 13, 2021
8:31 pm
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Bill.

Every month, battery technology is vastly improving. Time to charge, duration of a charge, reduction in size, cheaper to produce, lighter in weight, km distance has really improved, torque raw power has improved. Look at the tesla's, Google their battery performance.

Peter is a tech guy, he probably has more answers.

Mining of the material to make a battery, disposal of a battery, a battery fire requires hazmat. These should be more of a concern. Delays caused by a battery fire, Asphalt melts during a battery fire, so roads will need to be resurfaced.

I believe batteries are a stepping stone to something else, i suspect hydrogen as i mentioned in post 4

September 13, 2021
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HermanH said

I thought I read somewhere that there was a certain temperature at which batteries discharge at the same rate they re-charge. I thought it was about -30 C, or so.

Has anyone else heard of any such thing?

No such thing.

According to Battery University, battery self-discharge doubles with every 10°C. At -30°C, self-discharge would be

2( -30 - +20)/10 = 2-5 = 1/32

the rate at room temperature.

A fully-charged lithium-ion battery is expected to self-discharge at 35% per month at 60°C.

September 14, 2021
12:33 am
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Thanks for the site. I also found:

https://batteryuniversity.com/article/bu-410-charging-at-high-and-low-temperatures

Many battery users are unaware that consumer-grade lithium-ion batteries cannot be charged below 0°C (32°F). Although the pack appears to be charging normally, plating of metallic lithium can occur on the anode during a sub-freezing charge. This is permanent and cannot be removed with cycling. Batteries with lithium plating are more vulnerable to failure if exposed to vibration or other stressful conditions. Advanced chargers (Cadex) prevent charging Li-ion below freezing.

Advancements are being made to charge Li-ion below freezing temperatures. Charging is indeed possible with most lithium-ion cells but only at very low currents. According to research papers, the allowable charge rate at –30°C (–22°F) is 0.02C. At this low current, the charge time would stretch to over 50 hours, a time that is deemed impractical. There are, however, specialty Li-ions that can charge down to –10°C (14°F) at a reduced rate.

Tesla uses Li-ion

September 14, 2021
5:35 am
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I'm guessing all these batteries are just a new environmental disaster. What % of household batteries, including those in phones and other devices, have already been going to landfill (or the oceans) for decades now? I suppose if landfill liners last for thousands of years we're ok, I don't know.

September 14, 2021
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It is a continuance of an existing environmental issue.

Similar issue applies to car lead acid batteries and those lithium batteries in computers to maintain the real-time clock.

September 14, 2021
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HermanH said
Thanks for the site. I also found:

https://batteryuniversity.com/article/bu-410-charging-at-high-and-low-temperatures

Many battery users are unaware that consumer-grade lithium-ion batteries cannot be charged below 0°C (32°F). …

Tesla uses Li-ion  

That's for inexpensive consumer-grade lithium ion batteries, like in a cell phone or laptop.

For the price of those lithium ion batteries in a Tesla, a heater can be added to the battery.

September 14, 2021
6:57 am
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Kidd said
The infrastructure spending to go electric is beyond my understanding. Your house may need to increase the size of its electrical service to 200 amps.

Who told you that, and how did they justify that claim? 200 amps - do you drive 600+ km daily?

Charging stations need to be built in mass, everywhere.

Another common mistake. The reasoning goes like this: "if it takes 3-5 minutes to fill up ICE car and 30-50 minutes to charge BEV, we will need 10 times more charging stations than we have gas stations."

There is big flaw in that logic. Leaving it to reader to find it (but you can ask me, if you won't or can't).

Right now, in suburbia, gas stations are everywhere, but try to find one near downtown Toronto.
With BEV, situation will be the opposite: almost no charging stations will be needed in suburban areas, where people can park their cars in their garages and on their driveways.
While in large cities number of chargers will need to be higher than the current number of gas stations.

September 14, 2021
9:20 am
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Bill said
I'm guessing all these batteries are just a new environmental disaster.

New regions demolished in the search for lithium and rare earth elements to create solar components have resulted in as much, or more, long-lasting pollution as the search for fossil fuels.

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