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Very short term - is there anything worth doing
December 19, 2023
9:25 am
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Hi this is my first post on the forum, I hope it's the right place to ask. I have signed a sale agreement to purchase a plot on the edge of town. The plot is currently being subdivided from a larger parcel (sale is obviously conditional to the land title creation etc).

The city are making the seller jump through countless hoops to subdivide the lots and the sale will likely not be finalised for at least 4-6 weeks, but it could drag on as late as mid-late March. I'm not too worried about that - anything the city are making him do (including move a storm drain on the property line) will likely help me in the long run. Not planning to build until 2025 anyway.

I just feel weird having ~$200k in my chequing account that I can't spend. Is there anything I should do with it in the meantime? Even if I could earn 20c on it, that would be better than nothing.

Sale closing date will be 3 weeks from completion of subdivision/creation of land title so that's how much notice I'll have to move it around when I need it.

December 19, 2023
9:58 am
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Cashable variable-rate term deposits from RBC, BMO, CIBC, or Canadian Western Bank:

Norman1 said
Yes, the RBC Prime-Linked Cashable one-year GIC is cashable. No $25 admin fee and no accrued interest lost if cashed 30 days or later.

For under $250,000, currently issued at P - 2.45% = 4.75%.

BMO Variable Rate GIC (4¼%)
Canadian Western Bank floating rate redeemable GIC (4.60%)
CIBC Variable Rate GIC (4½%) 

December 19, 2023
10:02 am
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Or . . . A 'High Interest Savings Account' where you bank,
or at one of these

My Two Centavos,

    Dean

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Welcome to 'The Club', Daithi ❗ sf-smile

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December 19, 2023
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We haven't added Koho Financial to the chart yet, but per this conversation it might be worth considering their $4/month plan to get a 5.00% interest rate.

December 19, 2023
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I'm guessing from your post that you don't have an RBC e-savings account. If so, that's good. If you open one, you'll get 5.5% interest for 3 months:

https://www.rbcroyalbank.com/accounts/e-savings.html

It's RBC so you really don't have to worry about CDIC in this case. RBC isn't going anywhere in 3 months. Or 3 years (if they do, we have much, much bigger problems in Canada than missing money).

If you still need to park the $ after 3 months, then still at RBC you can open the 1-year prime-linked cashable GIC that Norman mentioned above. That way you don't have to move the money out to another bank. As Norman stated that GIC is currently paying 4.75% for a GIC up to $250k. By spring 2024 RBC prime might come down, but even if it does it should be small -- so maybe you'll get 4.5% or at worst 4.25% at the time. That's still better than any regular (non promo) HISA account out there that I know of.

December 19, 2023
10:23 am
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Peter said
We haven't added Koho Financial to the chart yet, but per this conversation it might be worth considering their $4/month plan to get a 5.00% interest rate.  

Honest advice, but personally I don't think this is even close to sustainable for Koho -- that $4/monthly fee is hardly offsetting the premium they are paying on deposits. I would be surprised if they are still offering 5% even 60 days from now.

December 19, 2023
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I had asked a question a few months ago. Maybe some answers are relevant to you

https://www.highinterestsavings.ca/forum/gic/short-term-gic-options/

If I were you, I'll consider high interest saving account with a temporary promotion, or a cashable GIC

December 19, 2023
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Itellyouwutt said

Honest advice, but personally I don't think this is even close to sustainable for Koho -- that $4/monthly fee is hardly offsetting the premium they are paying on deposits. I would be surprised if they are still offering 5% even 60 days from now.  

Wealthsimple's Cash account also offers 5% to their Generation ($500K) customers, or Premium ($100K) who run their paycheque direct deposit through the account. The CASH.TO/PSA sort of ETFs have been getting gross rates well above 5% until recently, and even Scotiabank is willing to give out 5% to retail customers via their brokerage ISA (the non-trailer F series mainly for fee-based planners, but still what Scotia is paying out). Banks like Scotia/National/CIBC are willing to pay for bulk deposits, and there's a small but non-zero margin at 5%. You may see the rate reduce a bit from 5% at some point if the general interest rate environment is heading down. The ETFs yield has been dropping, but there's a separate regulatory issue involved there as well.

December 19, 2023
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Unless the OP already has a brokerage account, there is not much sense in the OP taking the time to open a brokerage account and set up a EFT mechanism just to park cash for a short period of time of 2-3 months. It will take 5-10 days just to open and fund such an account.

I would look first to where the OP already has accounts in a big 5. Even a MMF at a bank branch where he already banks would provide something in the 4-5% range.

$200k @ 4.5% for 2.5 months = $1,875 BT

December 19, 2023
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Consider online bank Tangerine. It is one of the best online banks when it comes to simplicity of opening and managing accounts.

They currently run the following promo: for new client, 6.00% Savings rate for 5 months (on up to $1,000,000 in deposits).
Such offer will be hard to beat for Savings accounts.

Tangerine promo details here: https://www.tangerine.ca/en/landing-page/earnmore

December 19, 2023
2:31 pm
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NorthernRaven said

Wealthsimple's Cash account also offers 5% to their Generation ($500K) customers, or Premium ($100K) who run their paycheque direct deposit through the account. The CASH.TO/PSA sort of ETFs have been getting gross rates well above 5% until recently, and even Scotiabank is willing to give out 5% to retail customers via their brokerage ISA (the non-trailer F series mainly for fee-based planners, but still what Scotia is paying out). Banks like Scotia/National/CIBC are willing to pay for bulk deposits, and there's a small but non-zero margin at 5%. You may see the rate reduce a bit from 5% at some point if the general interest rate environment is heading down. The ETFs yield has been dropping, but there's a separate regulatory issue involved there as well.  

All good points, but I personally don't but Koho in the same bucket as WealthSimple, Scotiabank, or CIBC. Koho's core business model is credit rehab. I don't see how they can sustain 5%.

December 19, 2023
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Thank you everyone for your replies. I'm not usually much of a "money guy" so this is all quite new to me.

Dean said
Or . . . A 'High Interest Savings Account' where you bank,
or at one of these

 

AltaRed said
I would look first to where the OP already has accounts in a big 5. Even a MMF at a bank branch where he already banks would provide something in the 4-5% range.  

Currently my chequing account is with TD (main bank in our smallish town).
My RRSP is with Wealthsimple (main reason for that is my employer surprised me a couple of years ago by offering a matched contribution last minute. I had <10 days to open an RRSP and the bank couldn't get me in that quickly).

They (TD) don't seem to have any great options right now?

Peter said
We haven't added Koho Financial to the chart yet, but per this conversation it might be worth considering their $4/month plan to get a 5.00% interest rate.  

landmark_dog said
I had asked a question a few months ago. Maybe some answers are relevant to you

https://www.highinterestsavings.ca/forum/gic/short-term-gic-options

I will have a read through both of those links thanks.

Itellyouwutt said
I'm guessing from your post that you don't have an RBC e-savings account. If so, that's good. If you open one, you'll get 5.5% interest for 3 months:

https://www.rbcroyalbank.com/accounts/e-savings.html

I'll have a look at this. Nearest RBC is almost an hour away but if it can be done online it's an option.

With any of the options out there, what's the easiest way to transfer in/out of my chequing account? Interac eTransfer obviously has limits, I don't see any other option on Easyweb. Just set up an account with another institution and ask a teller in the branch?

December 19, 2023
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Consider a TDAM Money Market fund (MMF) at your TD branch. A TDAM financial advisor should be happy to have you fill out an investment account application, complete the KYC form and voila..... 4.95%

For speed of doing and short time, it is not relevant whether you get 4.95% or 5.5% on your funds.

https://www.td.com/ca/en/personal-banking/personal-investing/products/mutual-funds/td-mutual-funds

https://www.td.com/ca/en/asset-management/funds/solutions/mutual-funds/FundCard/TD%20Canadian%20Money%20Market%20Fund%20-%20I/?fundId=9

December 19, 2023
2:47 pm
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daithi said
I'll have a look at this. Nearest RBC is almost an hour away but if it can be done online it's an option.

Yes, I believe personal accounts can be opened online, but business accounts have to be done in person.

daithi said
With any of the options out there, what's the easiest way to transfer in/out of my chequing account? Interac eTransfer obviously has limits, I don't see any other option on Easyweb. Just set up an account with another institution and ask a teller in the branch?  

There are various options. Maybe Tangerine might be your best move here. If you don't have a savings account there, you can open a new one and you'll get 6% for 5 months (which is really good).

You can then link your Tangerine account to accounts at other banks, such as RBC, TD, etc. Then once linked, you can move money back and forth.

Or if you want to go another way, open both a new savings account and a new chequing account at Tangerine (no monthly fees with either). Order some cheques from Tangerine (nominal fee I think...I forget how much).

Then, when you want to move funds simply log into Tangerine, move funds from your savings to chequing, then write yourself a cheque and deposit it into the other bank (which you can probably do via mobile banking if you want, most banks and credit unions support this). Or just go to an ATM, or even walk into a bank if you want and do it at the teller.

December 19, 2023
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Itellyouwutt said

daithi said
I'll have a look at this. Nearest RBC is almost an hour away but if it can be done online it's an option.

Yes, I believe personal accounts can be opened online, but business accounts have to be done in person.

daithi said
With any of the options out there, what's the easiest way to transfer in/out of my chequing account? Interac eTransfer obviously has limits, I don't see any other option on Easyweb. Just set up an account with another institution and ask a teller in the branch?  

There are various options. Maybe Tangerine might be your best move here. If you don't have a savings account there, you can open a new one and you'll get 6% for 5 months (which is really good).

You can then link your Tangerine account to accounts at other banks, such as RBC, TD, etc. Then once linked, you can move money back and forth.

Or if you want to go another way, open both a new savings account and a new chequing account at Tangerine (no monthly fees with either). Order some cheques from Tangerine (nominal fee I think...I forget how much).

Then, when you want to move funds simply log into Tangerine, move funds from your savings to chequing, then write yourself a cheque and deposit it into the other bank (which you can probably do via mobile banking if you want, most banks and credit unions support this). Or just go to an ATM, or even walk into a bank if you want and do it at the teller.  

Tangerine is certainly sounding appealing. At least to the untrained eye 6% already looks like one of the best (if not the best), and all online certainly has that convenience factor going for it.

December 19, 2023
3:29 pm
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daithi said

Tangerine is certainly sounding appealing. At least to the untrained eye 6% already looks like one of the best (if not the best), and all online certainly has that convenience factor going for it.  

Uh huh. It's owned by Scotiabank, but has its own CDIC profile. Personally I have no hesitation exceeding CDIC with the 5, Tangerine and Simplii.

Also, you don't have to worry about being called into a branch to open an account, because they don't have any.

And if you open an account on top of the 6% you get a Raptor's jersey. If you wear it around downtown Toronto you might end up playing in the 4th quarter when they're down by 25 sf-smile

December 19, 2023
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With Tangerine, you can deposit funds to account with cheque, using Tangerine app on smartphone. There may be a limit on deposit amount, but you can write multiple cheques to yourself and deposit them in separate transactions.
Just make sure you deposit money to Savings (not checking), so that it collects interest while funds are still on hold.

You can order Tangerine checkbook, it should arrive by the time you need to move money out. Used to be first checkbook free, but I don't know if they still offer it. Still, for 6% interest and easy online account management a fee for a checkbook is nothing.

Just like it were said before, you can also make link to your TD account in Tangerine and transfer funds back and forth electronically. That service is free for Tangerine clients.

December 19, 2023
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I would go with Tangerine in this case, provided that:
1. Tangerine still offering 6% for at least 4 months for new account holders;
2. You have NEVER had any kind of account with Tangerine or its predecessor ING Direct, as this will almost certainly disqualify you;
4. Your time lines at closing allow you to get a bank draft or whatever is required. A good rule of thumb is: never deposit money anywhere until you know how you are going to get it out

I would not use a MMF (Money Market Fund) or a variable rate account for this purpose.

Be aware, however, that Tangerine's CDIC deposit insurance coverage only covers up to 100,000. Tangerine is owned by Scotia. Most people seem to feel it is safe for larger amounts. The Tangerine deal will pay you about 3,000 over 3 months, before income tax.

If you don't already have a full Tax Free Savings Account, put as much as you are legally allowed there, if rate is good. Read all the rules carefully.

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December 20, 2023
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I would not go significantly over CDIC insurance limit with Tangerine Bank because it has no current ratings from the debt rating agencies like DBRS, S&P, and Fitch. Consequently, one does not know how much risk one is taking on with uninsured Tangerine Bank deposits.

It doesn't matter that Tangerine Bank is owned by Bank of Nova Scotia. Bank of Nova Scotia is not on the hook for the Tangerine Bank deposits unless it has guaranteed them. To date, Bank of Nova Scotia has not.

In the fixed income world, unrated debt is known as "junk bonds". Having $100,000 of the $200,000, needed to pay for a property on three weeks notice, in junk bonds is not a good idea.

It is unfortunate that the TD Canada Trust is the only bank close by, daithi. For $200,000, your TD Canada Trust branch may be willing to negotiate.

TD doesn't offer a cashable variable rate GIC. But, TD does offer a 1-Year Cashable GIC. The TD 1-Year Cashable GIC can be cashed anytime after 30 days of issue, in full or in part, without penalty. Posted rate is 3% (minimum $1,000), which matches the 3% (minimum $1,000) advertised special rate for RBC's 1-year fixed-rate cashable GIC.

However, RBC offers me an unadvertised 4% special rate (minimum $1,000) for that GIC through the GIC purchase pages of their RBC Online Banking. See what your TD branch can offer for a minimum $100,000 or $200,000 in a TD 1-Year Cashable GIC.

December 20, 2023
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It would be a good idea to have a look at these previous discussions, about bank drafts lost by mail or lost by courier, if one is thinking about moving funds by couriered bank draft from an online-only bank:

Why old-fashioned bank drafts could leave you on the hook for big bucks
Retiree out $300K after Canada Post loses inheritance cheque …
Bank draft: Lost and then found

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