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1 year GIC 5.15% (up from 5.0%)
March 10, 2023
4:34 am
Alexandre
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That goes against the common trend.

March 10, 2023
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USA rates look to be going up, Canada will follow, EQ being proactive? Or else they just need more 1-year deposits today.

March 10, 2023
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Does any one remember what their 2 year was at before today? 4.55%? It’s now 4.7%

March 10, 2023
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co said
Does any one remember what their 2 year was at before today? 4.55%? It’s now 4.7%  

Yes 2 yr at 4.55%
FYI - to check past rates go to GIC chart - click on the date of FI and dates of when changes were made to rates are shown

March 10, 2023
5:44 am
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They are proactive and betting next BoC move will be another hike, which seems more plausible after the payroll release and what Powell advertised this week.
An extra 15bps is a cheap way to advertise anyway and they can change it anytime they want too.

March 10, 2023
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That's all fine logic, but this rate increase should put EQ to the third place in the 1yr GIC chart, while almost everyone else is either on hold or moving in the opposite direction.

March 10, 2023
7:52 am
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The Fed often goes above the BoC rate during periods of inflation. The higher rates in the USA tend to devalue the CAD and subsequently have a similar result as the BoC raising rates. So just because the Fed is still raising, doesn't mean the BoC will resume unless other factors occur or the CAD becomes too devalued. The Fed also tends to cut during election years, so with 2024 being an election year one likely possibility is that the Fed is raising to cut next year and the BoC will not raise rates.

In the end the best economist is right 50% of the time, so who knows. The best thing to do is to do your own research and follow what you believe so that you have less regrets if things don't work out.

fed vs boc

March 10, 2023
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phrank said
The Fed often goes above the BoC rate during periods of inflation. The higher rates in the USA tend to devalue the CAD and subsequently have a similar result as the BoC raising rates. So just because the Fed is still raising, doesn't mean the BoC will resume unless other factors occur or the CAD becomes too devalued. ...
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How does devaluation of CAD produce the same effects as a BoC rate increase? If CAD is worth less, most of our imports, especially food, will cost more. And that would fuel inflation, having an opposite effect of a BoC interest rate increase. What am I missing?

March 10, 2023
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Bill said

USA rates look to be going up, Canada will follow, EQ being proactive? Or else they just need more 1-year deposits today 

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Bingo ⬆ ❗❗

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March 10, 2023
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co said

Does any one remember what their 2 year was at before today? 4.55%? It’s now 4.7%  

'4.55%' is/was correct

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March 10, 2023
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Rail Baron said

How does devaluation of CAD produce the same effects as a BoC rate increase? If CAD is worth less, most of our imports, especially food, will cost more. And that would fuel inflation, having an opposite effect of a BoC interest rate increase. What am I missing?  

I'm with you on this...my understanding is that if CDN falls relative to USD then (as you say) our imports become more expensive, which means higher inflation. At the same time, it means USD goes further here, which means greater demand for exports as well, which puts even more upward pressure on wages in certain industries. The same guy making $35/hour sees what's going on and insists on $45/hour...and on and on it goes.

I don't think we have to mirror the Fed, especially since the labor market dynamics are quite different up here. But I think we have to stay within sight.

March 10, 2023
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It's Déjà Vu all over again !

In the end, there's really nothing new here ... we've been down this road 'Many' times before.

The answers to our questions & comments can be found in the history books.

    Dean

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March 10, 2023
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phrank said
The Fed often goes above the BoC rate during periods of inflation. The higher rates in the USA tend to devalue the CAD and subsequently have a similar result as the BoC raising rates. So just because the Fed is still raising, doesn't mean the BoC will resume unless other factors occur or the CAD becomes too devalued. The Fed also tends to cut during election years, so with 2024 being an election year one likely possibility is that the Fed is raising to cut next year and the BoC will not raise rates.

In the end the best economist is right 50% of the time, so who knows. The best thing to do is to do your own research and follow what you believe so that you have less regrets if things don't work out.

fed vs boc  

As some of you may have seen me post before, the rate changes have NOTHING to do with inflation or anything else other than BOTH US and CAN gov't following the BOND market... PERIOD! They NEVER lead, they ONLY FOLLOW!

Don't believe me? simply pull up a chart of the 3 and 6 month bonds vs the Bank of US/CAN Interest rates.... ALWAYS FOLLOWS! SO, YOU can actually predict fairly accurately if and when rates will change and even by how much....

AND as I have pointed out before... the US rate changes do NOT affect CAN rate changes. They only appear so because the respective BOND markets often are similar BUT they can and are sometimes different, and that is why the respective rates are not always in sync.

ATM, the US bond market is rising... CAN not so much.

BTW, I learned about this some time ago but only recently tested this out and proved it for myself.... very eye-opening... Holds true 100% of the time going back DECADES!

I now keep those rates on a custom-made chart to show all of this on one chart... (I use tradingview.com--FREE to use).

March 11, 2023
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savemoresaveoften said
They are proactive and betting next BoC move will be another hike, which seems more plausible after the payroll release and what Powell advertised this week.
An extra 15bps is a cheap way to advertise anyway and they can change it anytime they want too.  

How true, and lo and behold, it only took ONE day! This morning I see 5.00% for a 1 year GIC on their web site.

So....do they have joint GIC accounts yet? If I remember correctly it must be getting close to 2 years now since they replied that it was coming soon.

And do they still make you earn only 2.5% in their savings account for 6 business days on money moved from my linked account (5 business days after they see that the funds have arrived) before they will remove the so called "hold" and allow any GIC purchase, even though said purchase is captive funds to EQ and is non-redeemable? sf-frown

The main accomplishment of almost all organized protests is to
annoy people who are not in them.

March 11, 2023
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Alexandre said

1 year GIC 5.15% (up from 5.0%)

That goes against the common trend.  

As of today (March 11th), EQ's 1Yr GIC is already back Down to 5.00% . . .

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That didn't last long (one day). sf-confused

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March 11, 2023
10:56 am
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Probably a flash sale. Equitable Bank had a bump in one-year loans approved and bumped the GIC rate up a bit to bring in matching deposits a bit faster. Once desired deposits were raised, the rate can be lowered.

Flash sales are usually done through deposit brokers though.

March 11, 2023
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A 'One Day' Flash sale ... perhaps.

But I'm thinking most of their customers wouldn't notice such a minor change (+0.15%) that only lasted One day, and with no prior notice.

My guess ... "Oops, we shouldn't have done that. Change it back, Quick ❗"

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March 11, 2023
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A flash sale can be as short as a day.

Once the target amount of deposits is reached, the rate is yanked at the end of the day. Deposit brokers prep their GIC buyers for that.

Most EQ Bank clients may not have noticed. But, enough did. That's what matters in the end to EQ Bank.

March 12, 2023
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It is what is is, one day flip flop, quietly and unannounced ... collectively here at HISA, we notice flip flops happened at other FIs as well. I am interested to know if anyone actually got that rate in that single day.

... and how did you fund it? Was it there all along at EQ earning the 2.50%? Did it come from recently matured GIC at EQ? Or just a small GIC that you could EFT in?

March 12, 2023
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hwyc said
It is what is is, one day flip flop, quietly and unannounced ... collectively here at HISA, we notice it happened at other FIs as well. I am interested to know if anyone actually got that rate in that single day.  

Unless funds are already there, won’t make it cuz their strict hold policy.

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