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January 5, 2021
10:03 am
Kidd
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These are Ontario's vaccination numbers.

Dec 14 to Jan 4 = 21 days
Total vaccinated in 21 days = 42,419
Means 2,020 were vaccinated each day.
 
Population of Ontario, 14.6 million
At 2,020 per day
Means 7,228 days to vaccinate Ontario
365 days in a year
Means 19.8 years to vaccinate Ontario

BUT we all require 2 shots.

SO… 19.8 years times 2 = 39.6 years to vaccinate Ontario

I am glad our health-care is free and our tax rates are so low but i'm still left questioning... Which side did our army general fight for?

January 5, 2021
10:19 am
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Kidd said
SO… 19.8 years times 2 = 39.6 years to vaccinate Ontario

I am glad our health-care is free and our tax rates are so low but i'm still left questioning... Which side did our army general fight for?  

Why rush... $20,000/month + military pension + benefits... I am sure he can (barely) manage during next 30+ years (as per your estimate).

Nevertheless, we should stop this conversation as it has nothing to do with this site.

January 5, 2021
10:46 am
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Mr Trudeau has more than once, as recently as today, indicated everyone who wants to be vaccinated will be done by September. Just in time, election can't be until October for 2015 new elected MPs to qualify for their MP pension.

January 5, 2021
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The extrapolation is also faulty.

Once there is more of the vaccines that don't need the -70°C storage temperature, they can be distributed to the pharmacies, doctor's offices, and walk-in clinics. At that point, the vaccinations that can be done per day will be much higher.

January 5, 2021
1:40 pm
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According to Statistics Canada, about 25 per cent of Canadians are not planning on getting the vaccine.

That would cut population vaccination time by 1/4.

January 6, 2021
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If you want to go BY THE MATH, about 14,250 of the 16,000 deaths in Canada have been folks 70 and over. So we really just need to get that group vaccinated and our health-system-being-overwhelmed issue is gone.

January 6, 2021
10:28 am
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Bill, i agree we need to prioritize.

The GENERAL was on the news last night, "we're aiming at 10,000 vaccinations a day"

Now... here's me thinking, we in Ontario are still talking years to get to everyone. I never really understood this new math. Dot, dot, dot carry the one.

January 6, 2021
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Kidd said
The GENERAL was on the news last night, "we're aiming at 10,000 vaccinations a day"

Meaning it will take 4 years to vaccinate every single person in Ontario (not counting new immigrants) and he will get $960,000 for amazing job he is doing...
He is civilian correct? Retired army personnel are civilians? Why is he in uniform all the time with all those medals he got defending Canada on a battlefield? I do not recall anybody attacked Canada since I came here...

January 6, 2021
10:42 am
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Any state or province etc that models like New York City.. Follows any of the same policies.. Is just insane.. Look at how good Florida is doing versus New York.. Compare the average age in population..

Probably cases are frequently included in Ontarios' #s.. We dont provide antibody testing free via public health.. Only the "do I have it now test"... If you have had exposure to the virus (many have unknowingly) why would you get a vaccine?

January 6, 2021
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Antibodies being produced from exposure to the actual COVID virus don't last. Some studies have found that the antibodies are no longer detectable in such people after 8 weeks!

One still needs the vaccine. The hope is the body will produce antibodies from having the vaccine for longer than 8 weeks afterwards.

January 6, 2021
12:37 pm
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Norman1 said
One still needs the vaccine. The hope is the body will produce antibodies from having the vaccine for longer than 8 weeks afterwards.  

Just like with flu vaccine: it only expected to last through flu season, not for life.

January 6, 2021
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It's too early to make any statement about immunity, we just don't know yet. Some studies have shown more robust and longer-lasting immunity, etc, etc, etc, so we'll just have to wait and see what happens. My point was that if it's about saving lives then we need to get all the old folks done first (maybe about 5 million Canadians over 70), so that shouldn't take nearly as long once it gets rolling.

Though there are some shared symptoms the corona viruses are not related to the influenza viruses, not sure you can compare vaccine efficacy.

January 6, 2021
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Bill said
If you want to go BY THE MATH, about 14,250 of the 16,000 deaths in Canada have been folks 70 and over. So we really just need to get that group vaccinated and our health-system-being-overwhelmed issue is gone.  

no kidding and it really should be the obvious priority. Except the so called "experts" aka govt officials are too busy coming up with excuses to cover their butts than try to get things done. sigh

January 6, 2021
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pooreva said

Kidd said
The GENERAL was on the news last night, "we're aiming at 10,000 vaccinations a day"

Meaning it will take 4 years to vaccinate every single person in Ontario   

Don't forget that everyone needs 2 doses, so 8 years instead of 4.

January 6, 2021
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MG said

Don't forget that everyone needs 2 doses, so 8 years instead of 4.  

Not really since second dose of saline water has to be administered 4-6 weeks after first one.

January 6, 2021
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What's the problem?
As far as I've heard, they ARE prioritizing old people. They are currently doing the long term care and retirement homes. Health care workers were also done early for obvious reasons.
Yesterday I heard it announced that the next group will be those over 75 years.
My mom, who is almost 100, lives in a retirement home in Ontario and received her vaccine today - Moderna, dose 1. 3 nurses and a doctor came from the local hospital and set up shop and went around and vaccinated the residents.

January 6, 2021
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As well, Ontario is now vaccinating over 10,000 people a day. Just not since Day #1.

According to 'We could use more doses, thousands more…, there is little point in going significantly faster until the vaccine starts arriving faster.

At 10,000 people a day, each weekly shipment is used up within a week. If they ramp it up to 40,000 a day, that will just end up using up each shipment in two days and the workers will be idle until the next shipment comes in the following week.

January 6, 2021
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pooreva said

Not really since second dose of saline water has to be administered 4-6 weeks after first one.  

I am not clear on what you are saying Eva. The second dose is not just saline water.

January 7, 2021
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Norman1 said
As well, Ontario is now vaccinating over 10,000 people a day. Just not since Day #1.

According to 'We could use more doses, thousands more…, there is little point in going significantly faster until the vaccine starts arriving faster.

At 10,000 people a day, each weekly shipment is used up within a week. If they ramp it up to 40,000 a day, that will just end up using up each shipment in two days and the workers will be idle until the next shipment comes in the following week.  

Thats prob what the general is thinking and totally wrong in my mind. That thinking works for general logistics, NOT for pandemic life savings....
If there is the capacity to do it all in 1 day, do it even tho next shipment will not arrive for another 6 days.
The point and priority is to get as many people vaccinated ASAP. Not trying to pace it so workers stay employed and not bored 6 days out of 7...

January 7, 2021
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savemoresaveoften, it's unionized public sector sf-wink

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