

8:31 am
April 6, 2013

Received this e-mail notice of a coming subsequent offer to my current 3¾% offer that's ending June 30:
* The 3.25% Interest Rate Offer (the “Offer”) is only available to existing Tangerine Clients who have received this communication directly from Tangerine and who activate the Offer online by July 31, 2025 (“Eligible Clients”). The 3.25% promotional interest rate (the “Promotional Interest Rate”) is valid from July 1, 2025 to September 30, 2025 (the “Promotion Period”) and is only applicable to Tangerine Savings Accounts, Tax-Free Savings Accounts, RSP Savings Accounts and US$ Savings Accounts where the Eligible Client is the Primary Account Holder (referred to collectively as “Applicable Accounts”). Promotional Interest is the interest earned on Eligible Deposits during the Promotion Period. “Eligible Deposits” for any day during the Promotion Period is the excess of (i) the sum of end-of-day balances in all Applicable Accounts per Applicable Account Type (excluding Promotional Interest) over (ii) the sum of end-of-day balances in all Applicable Accounts per Applicable Account Type as at April 2, 2025, to a maximum of $1,000,000 per Applicable Account Type (in the currency of the Applicable Account). … The Promotional Interest Rate is an annualized rate, calculated daily and paid monthly. …. This Offer can’t be combined with any other promotional Savings rate offers. This Offer, including interest rates, may change, be extended or cancelled without notice.
1:16 pm
June 22, 2023

Norman: I received this offer also, except with a 3.65% rate (my current rate of 4.00% also expires on June 30). Tangerine's model of different promotional offers to different customers certainly does not create customer goodwill in the long run, at least from my perspective.
I suspect that the reason I received a higher rate is that back in January (due to an expiring Tangerine promotional offer), I had transferred all of my funds from Tangerine to EQ Bank earning 4.00% on EQ's promotional offer. Tangerine did not make me a promotional offer in February, and waited until April to make an offer that was equal to EQ Bank's promotional offer at the time.
EQ Bank's promotional offer is down to 3.50%, so I interpret Tangerine's most recent promotional offer to me of 3.65% is a small carrot to motivate me to maintain my HISA funds with Tangerine.
The games people play.
1:29 pm
November 18, 2017

3:32 pm
June 22, 2023

5:21 pm
August 4, 2010

Corporations may be considered "legal persons" or entities for some purposes, but they are not "natural" or "human" persons, so there's a big gap there. I'm too lazy to Google, but I'm pretty sure there is a Supreme Court decision that corporations are not protected by the "cruel and unusual punishment' clause of the Constitution.
9:37 pm
April 6, 2013

That would be the case Quebec (Attorney General) v. 9147-0732 Québec inc. (2020 SCC 32). The summary notes the following:
A corporation is a “legal person.” A legal person is treated like a physical person (a human being) for some purposes under the law. It has its own “legal personality,” meaning it has its own rights and duties. For example, it can sign contracts and own property, just like a human being can.
Corporations can benefit from some Charter rights. For example, corporations are protected against “unreasonable search and seizure” under section 8. The state can’t search or take something private from a corporation without permission, unless the law specifically allows it, like when police have a warrant. … However, they don’t get the benefit of all Charter rights. Corporations don’t have a right to “life, liberty and security of the person” under section 7. …
11:55 pm
November 18, 2017

NokomisStation: I hope you aren't confusing Canadian Law with the US SCOTUS decision, but I myself don't know in full how many rights and privileges in Canada are accorded to corporations.
BUT I know that corporations operate under fiduciary duty to their owners and/or stockholders, and that clearly trumps any moral obligations in Canada!
RetirEd
11:59 am
April 6, 2013

Equitable Bank has debt rating of BBB(high) from DBRS and BBB- from Fitch. Consequently, institutional investors are willing to place $2.15 billion into its uninsured deposit notes.
In contrast, Tangerine Bank has no debt ratings and its uninsured obligations are considered to be junk bonds. The strength of its owner is irrelevant unless Bank of Nova Scotia has issued a guarantee on Tangerine's obligations. As far as I know, its parent has never issued such a guarantee and has instead deliberately kept Tangerine at a distance since they acquired it from ING Group.
4:01 am
March 30, 2017

4:35 am
September 7, 2018

Norman1 said
Equitable Bank has debt rating of BBB(high) from DBRS and BBB- from Fitch. Consequently, institutional investors are willing to place $2.15 billion into its uninsured deposit notes.In contrast, Tangerine Bank has no debt ratings and its uninsured obligations are considered to be junk bonds. The strength of its owner is irrelevant unless Bank of Nova Scotia has issued a guarantee on Tangerine's obligations. As far as I know, its parent has never issued such a guarantee and has instead deliberately kept Tangerine at a distance since they acquired it from ING Group.
Just looked at the Financial Statements for Tangerine on the OSFI site - Tangerine has been and continues to be highly profitable and has a strong balance sheet. I would not be so negative about Tangerine - they are doing just fine! Highly unlikely that they would ever need to be "bailed out".
4:34 am
April 6, 2013

canadian.100 said
Just looked at the Financial Statements for Tangerine on the OSFI site - Tangerine has been and continues to be highly profitable and has a strong balance sheet. I would not be so negative about Tangerine - they are doing just fine! Highly unlikely that they would ever need to be "bailed out".
Nonsense. Profit is irrelevant to creditors and depositors. They take their cut before and regardless of any profit.
What matters is the quality of the assets, the loans in the bank's loan book, and the resulting cash flow. Those summary statements don't give enough information to evaluate the quality of the loans and mortgages. That's why ratings agencies, like DBRS, are given access to non-public info about the loans and their borrowers to do the rating.
Profit of a wholly owned bank can be curated to whatever the parent bank wishes. Parent bank can pay sweetheart rates on deposits from its wholly owned bank and to boost the subsidiary's profit on its income statement. One can't tell without having access to the non-public info about the deposits, like who the deposits are with and other fine print, that a rating agency has.
That kind of junk analysis is how people get themselves into trouble. Home Trust had no issues with its profits before it nearly failed a while back. All of the sudden people cared about CDIC limits and called into to see if they could split their existing Oaken GIC's between CDIC members Home Trust and Home Bank!
8:36 am
April 6, 2013

The subsequent offer landed.
A notification appeared after signing into Tangerine online banking. There was an Activate button with the notification.
The fine print of the offer can be accessed after activation through the "More Info" button under "Account Details" of one of the Applicable Accounts:
8:51 am
March 15, 2019

canadian.100 said
Just looked at the Financial Statements for Tangerine on the OSFI site - Tangerine has been and continues to be highly profitable and has a strong balance sheet. I would not be so negative about Tangerine - they are doing just fine! Highly unlikely that they would ever need to be "bailed out".
Are loans to BNS Tangerine's only asset?
9:35 am
November 19, 2022

Norman1 said
The subsequent offer landed.A notification appeared after signing into Tangerine online banking. There was an Activate button with the notification.
The fine print of the offer can be accessed after activation through the "More Info" button under "Account Details" of one of the Applicable Accounts:
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I pulled money to WS and today got 3.8% from tangerine
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