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JOINT Account - Which Promo rate will apply? Both have offers .
October 27, 2023
10:33 pm
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I have a Joint Savings account with someone, where I am the Primary holder and other person is secondary holder.

Both of us are Tangerine customers with different User ID/Client ID and Logins.

I have a 5.25% current offer going on, and the other person has a 6% offer. If they activate that 6% offer.

Which offer or rate will apply for that Joint account?

I am guessing the 5.25%, since I am the Primary holder and not them.

My 5.25% offer gets over on October 31, after which there won't be any offer from my side.

But their 6% offer will still be available. So if they activate that 6% offer after October 31 (when my 5.25% disappears).

Will we still get 6% on that Joint Savings account, if activated from their side? They login with their Client ID and password.

Mind you they are a Secondary holder of that Joint account, not primary.

October 27, 2023
11:57 pm
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rfdm4g4g9 said
Which offer or rate will apply for that Joint account?

I am guessing the 5.25%, since I am the Primary holder and not them.

Correct

rfdm4g4g9 said
Will we still get 6% on that Joint Savings account, if activated from their side? They login with their Client ID and password.

Mind you they are a Secondary holder of that Joint account, not primary.  

No, only the primary holder gets the benefit of the promo.
If you want that 6% promo offer, have her open a new account and then add you as a secondary/joint holder, before moving funds into the account.

October 28, 2023
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HermanH said

No, only the primary holder gets the benefit of the promo.
If you want that 6% promo offer, have her open a new account and then add you as a secondary/joint holder, before moving funds into the account.  

Indeed. A Client's offers apply to that Client's individual accounts and joint accounts where that Client is the Primary Client. In fact, the Secondary Client will not even see the promo interest rate in account details.

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October 28, 2023
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That is what the fine print for my current Tangerine offer says:

14. The Offer [5.50%, from July 4, 2023 to November 30, 2023] is only applicable to Applicable Accounts where the Eligible Client is the person whose name appears first on the Bank statement (the “Primary Account Holder”). For Applicable Accounts where an Eligible Client is not the Primary Account Holder (example: the Eligible Client is not the Primary Account Holder on a joint Applicable Account and is listed second on the statement for that Account), the Offer won’t be applied to that particular Account. Where money is transferred from an Account where the Eligible Client is listed second on the statement for an Applicable Account where the Eligible Client is the Primary Account Holder, that transfer will be eligible for Promotional Interest.

October 28, 2023
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Thanks for all the above answers. Just another query.

So if they open a Single new savings account after logging in and activate that 6% new deposit offer. Not joint savings account, just single savings account, with them as the sole owner & Primary holder.

And then transfer money from the Joint Savings account on which they are the secondary holder and I am the Primary holder, will they get the 6% new deposit interest?

Will their snapshot and balance be considered as Zero and all the money transferred from the Joint Savings account (on which they are secondary holder) to the new Single Savings account (on which they are the primary holder) will be considered as NEW money & new deposit?

I am afraid that they will say you were Joint on that account, even though you were secondary, we consider that balance as not new money, when you transfer to the recently opened new single account.

October 28, 2023
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rfdm4g4g9 said
So if they open a Single new savings account after logging in and activate that 6% new deposit offer. Not joint savings account, just single savings account, with them as the sole owner & Primary holder.

And then transfer money from the Joint Savings account on which they are the secondary holder and I am the Primary holder, will they get the 6% new deposit interest?

Yes. The primary will get the 6% rate.

rfdm4g4g9 said
Will their snapshot and balance be considered as Zero and all the money transferred from the Joint Savings account (on which they are secondary holder) to the new Single Savings account (on which they are the primary holder) will be considered as NEW money & new deposit?

I am afraid that they will say you were Joint on that account, even though you were secondary, we consider that balance as not new money, when you transfer to the recently opened new single account.  

HSBC might treat you that way, but I have never had any such problem with Tang. A family member and I share joint accounts. One, where I am primary, and another where they are primary. Whoever receives a higher promo rate gets the funds transferred to the account at which they they are primary and enjoys promo rate.

October 28, 2023
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rfdm4g4g9 said
Thanks for all the above answers. Just another query.

So if they open a Single new savings account after logging in and activate that 6% new deposit offer. Not joint savings account, just single savings account, with them as the sole owner & Primary holder.

And then transfer money from the Joint Savings account on which they are the secondary holder and I am the Primary holder, will they get the 6% new deposit interest?

Will their snapshot and balance be considered as Zero and all the money transferred from the Joint Savings account (on which they are secondary holder) to the new Single Savings account (on which they are the primary holder) will be considered as NEW money & new deposit?

I am afraid that they will say you were Joint on that account, even though you were secondary, we consider that balance as not new money, when you transfer to the recently opened new single account.  

Yes. Their starting balance for the promo will be that of those accounts where they are primary holder. They could also, as primary holder open another new account, make it joint with you as secondary and have that also qualify for the promo.

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October 28, 2023
11:27 am
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Yes. Their starting balance for the promo will be that of those accounts where they are primary holder. They could also, as primary holder open another new account, make it joint with you as secondary and have that also qualify for the promo.  

Cool. I will ask them to do that.

Single account should be fine for now. As making that single account a Joint account, just online is not possible thesedays.

They actually want you to call them and speak to an agent and both parties have to present at the same time on the phone to make it Joint.

Earlier you could do it a joint account totally
digitally and online only without speaking to someone.

I am abroad now, and the other person is in Canada, so both being physically present at the same time on the phone call to the agent is going to be hard.

They even have a TFSA account with Tangerine with $0 in it . And contribution room of almost $ 90,000/- left. So some money can be transferred there also.

October 28, 2023
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rfdm4g4g9 said

And then transfer money from the Joint Savings account on which they are the secondary holder and I am the Primary holder, will they get the 6% new deposit interest?

Will their snapshot and balance be considered as Zero and all the money transferred from the Joint Savings account (on which they are secondary holder) to the new Single Savings account (on which they are the primary holder) will be considered as NEW money & new deposit?

I am afraid that they will say you were Joint on that account, even though you were secondary, we consider that balance as not new money, when you transfer to the recently opened new single account.

The answer is yes to both for the 5½% Tangerine offer I'm on.

Have a look at the terms and conditions of your 6% Tangerine offer. See if it has similar text to that of the 5½% Tangerine offer I quoted.

October 29, 2023
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Norman1 said

The answer is yes to both for the 5½% Tangerine offer I'm on.

Have a look at the terms and conditions of your 6% Tangerine offer. See if it has similar text to that of the 5½% Tangerine offer I quoted.  

Yes, looks like similar text to the 5.25% offer.

rfdm4g4g9 said
My other account still has this offer. But forgot to move the money out in time. So hopefully on November 4, they extend it. So moving out the money on October 31 or November 1.

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Full Offer Terms and Conditions

General

The Tangerine Bank (the “Bank”) Savings Interest Offer of 6.00% (the “Offer”) is available to existing Tangerine Clients who: (1) receive a communication about the Offer directly from the Bank, (2) “Activate” (as defined in Section 4 below) the Offer by October 31, 2023, and (3) receive a confirmation to their online Tangerine Account Message Board that the Offer has been successfully activated (“Eligible Clients”).

The Offer is only available to Eligible Clients between October 4, 2023 and February 29, 2024 (the “Offer Period”).

The Offer is only applicable to Tangerine Savings Accounts (“Savings”), Tangerine Tax-Free Savings Accounts (“TFSA Savings”), Tangerine RSP Savings Accounts (“RSP Savings”), and Tangerine US$ Savings Accounts (“US$ Savings) (referred to collectively as “Applicable Accounts”) where the Eligible Client is the Primary Account Holder as described in Section 13 below. Multiple Applicable Accounts of the same type (for example, three separate TFSA Savings Accounts) are collectively defined as an “Applicable Account Type”. The Offer is not applicable to any other Accounts, including (but not limited to) Tangerine RIF Savings Accounts (“RIF Savings”), Tangerine Business Savings Accounts, Tangerine US$ Business Savings Accounts, or Tangerine Children’s Savings Accounts (“CSA”).

To “Activate” the Offer, the Client needs to perform one of the following actions by October 31, 2023:

Click the ‘Activate Now’ button in the Offer email that the Client has received directly from the Bank; or

Click the ‘Activate Now’ button on Tangerine’s website once the Client has logged in; or

Open an Applicable Account; or

Accept the Offer through the Tangerine Interactive Voice Response System.

Promotional Interest
“Promotional Interest” is the interest earned on Eligible Deposits made to Applicable Accounts each day during the Offer Period. “Eligible Deposits” for any day during the Offer Period is the excess of (i) the sum of end-of-day balances in all Applicable Accounts per Applicable Account Type (excluding Promotional Interest) over (ii) the sum of end-of-day balances in all Applicable Accounts per Applicable Account Type as at October 3, 2023, to a maximum of $1,000,000 (in the currency of the Applicable Account), subject to the exclusions in Section 10 below.

All balances in Applicable Accounts that don’t qualify as Eligible Deposits will earn the Bank’s applicable posted rate of interest listed on the Bank’s website (the “Posted Rate”).

In the case of deposits made to Applicable Accounts by means of a T2033 form, those deposits will earn interest at the Posted Rate payable on the Applicable Account from the time the transfer request is submitted to Tangerine and while the funds are in transit. Upon receipt of the transferred funds by Tangerine, those funds will be included in the calculation of Eligible Deposits as explained above, provided that the Offer Period hasn’t already ended when the funds are received.

A Promotional Interest Rate of 6.00% will apply to Eligible Deposits under this Offer. Eligible Clients will receive Promotional Interest in two separate interest payments: (1) interest calculated at the Posted Rate, (2) an additional interest payment that represents the excess of Promotional Interest over Posted Rate interest (“Additional Interest”). For clarity, Promotional Interest equals the sum of Posted Rate interest and Additional Interest. Payment of Additional Interest will be made to the Applicable Account at the start of the month following the month in which it was calculated. The Posted Rate may change at any time without prior notice, resulting in a corresponding change to the Additional Interest rate so that the Promotional Interest Rate remains unchanged. Notwithstanding the above, the Bank may change the Promotional Interest Rate at any time without prior notice.

The Promotional Interest Rate is an annualized rate, and, subject to the limits and qualifications outlined in these Terms and Conditions, the Promotional Interest will be calculated daily during the Offer Period and paid monthly. Although all balances for a particular Applicable Account Type are consolidated for purposes of calculating Eligible Deposits, Promotional Interest is paid to an individual Account based on the Eligible Deposits applicable to such Account. The following transactions are examples of what will qualify as Eligible Deposits for which Promotional Interest will apply:

Money transferred from a Tangerine Chequing Account to an Applicable Account.

Money transferred from another financial institution, including the Eligible Client’s linked account, Tangerine email Money Transfer, or Interac e-Transfer®, to an Applicable Account.

Money transferred from a Savings Account to a TFSA Savings or RSP Savings Account.

Money transferred from a US$ Savings Account to a TFSA Savings or RSP Savings Account.

Money transferred from a TFSA account, or RSP account at another financial institution to a TFSA Savings or RSP Savings Account.

Example 1: Eligible Client has $10,000 in their existing TFSA Savings on October 3, 2023. Five days later, they transfer $5,000 to a new TFSA Savings from their Tangerine Savings Account. They also transfer $5,000 from their existing TFSA Savings to a TFSA GIC. The total of the balances in the TFSA Savings remains $10,000 after completing the transfers. Therefore, the transfers to the TFSA Savings do not qualify as Eligible Deposits.

Example 2: Eligible Client has $10,000 in their existing TFSA Savings on October 3, 2023. Five days later, they transfer $10,000 to their existing TFSA Savings from their Tangerine Savings Account. They also transfer $5,000 from their existing TFSA Savings to a TFSA GIC. Their balance in the TFSA Savings is $15,000 after completing the transfers. Additional Interest will apply to $5,000 of the new deposit to the existing TFSA Savings.

Example 3: Eligible Client has $10,000 in their existing Tangerine Savings Account on October 3, 2023. Five days later, they open an additional Tangerine Savings Account and transfer $5,000 from their existing Tangerine Savings Account. Their Applicable Account Type balance remains $10,000 in total between both Tangerine Savings Accounts. The transfer to the new Tangerine Savings is not eligible for the Additional Interest because it does not qualify as an Eligible Deposit.

Exclusions
Notwithstanding the above, the following are examples of the types of transactions that won’t qualify as Eligible Deposits and therefore won’t earn Promotional Interest:

Transfers or money deposited to a RIF Savings, CSA, Business Savings Account, or US$ Business Savings Account.

Money transferred from a Bank GIC, Investment Fund or Line of Credit to an Applicable Account.

Transfers made to any new RSP Savings Account from an existing RSP Savings Account or RSP GIC resulting in no change to the total Applicable Account balances in RSP Savings from October 3, 2023.

Money deposited to an RSP Savings Account and then transferred to an RSP GIC resulting in no change to the total Applicable Account balances in RSP Savings from October 3, 2023.

Transfers made to any new TFSA Savings Account from an existing TFSA Savings Account or TFSA GIC resulting in no change to the total Applicable Account balances in TFSA Savings from October 3, 2023.

Money deposited to a TFSA Savings Account and then transferred to a TFSA GIC resulting in no change to the total Applicable Account balances in TFSA Savings from October 3, 2023.

Money transferred from an RSP, TFSA or RIF Account to any Applicable Account.

Money transferred from a CSA to an Applicable Account.

Direct or indirect transfers from Tangerine Business Savings Accounts and Tangerine US$ Business Savings Accounts to Applicable Accounts.

After the Offer Period ends, all balances in the Applicable Accounts will earn interest at the Posted Rate payable on the Applicable Account.

Any Applicable Account closed prior to the payment of Promotional Interest will forfeit any Promotional Interest calculated during the month in which the Applicable Account is closed.

Eligibility
This Offer is non-transferable and is only available to Eligible Clients who have received the Offer communication from the Bank.

The Offer is only applicable to Applicable Accounts where the Eligible Client is the person whose name appears first on the Bank statement (the “Primary Account Holder”). For Applicable Accounts where an Eligible Client is not the Primary Account Holder (example: the Eligible Client is not the Primary Account Holder on a joint Applicable Account and is listed second on the statement for that Account), the Offer won’t be applied to that particular Account. Where money is transferred from an Account where the Eligible Client is listed second on the statement for an Applicable Account where the Eligible Client is the Primary Account Holder, that transfer will be eligible for Promotional Interest.

Limitations
Limit of one Offer per Eligible Client. This Offer is non-saleable, may not be exchanged for cash and can’t be combined with any other discounts, offers, or promotions except as otherwise permitted.

Eligible Deposits to TFSA Savings and RSP Savings Accounts are subject to the limits imposed by the Canada Revenue Agency (the “CRA”). The Eligible Client is fully responsible for monitoring their individual contribution limits and ensuring any and all deposits fall within these set CRA limits. Individual TFSA contribution limits can be found on the CRA website at cra-arc.gc.ca. The RSP contribution limit is as noted on the Eligible Client’s Notice of Assessment issued by the CRA. The Eligible Client further agrees to at all times indemnify and hold the Bank harmless in respect of any such penalties or charges imposed upon the Eligible Client as a result of these imposed limits.

Subject to the imposed CRA limits on Tax-Free Savings Accounts and Registered Retirement Savings Plans, Promotional Interest will be paid on the first $1,000,000 (in the currency of the Applicable Account) of Eligible Deposits made to each Applicable Account Type. No Eligible Deposits or daily balances to which Promotional Interest would otherwise qualify will be greater than $1,000,000 (in the currency of the Applicable Account) for any Applicable Account Type (i.e. $1,000,000 CAD across all Tangerine Savings Accounts, $1,000,000 USD across all Tangerine US$ Savings Accounts, $1,000,000 CAD across all Tangerine Tax-Free Savings Accounts and $1,000,000 CAD across all Tangerine RSP Savings Accounts). Any balances greater than $1,000,000 (in the currency of the Applicable Account) for an Applicable Account Type will earn interest at the applicable Posted Rate of interest.  

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