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August 10, 2017
10:35 am
Bill
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Edit by admin: This thread was originally split from this discussion about a Tangerine rate increase

Peter, you're busy enough I'm sure, instead of having to determine and then justify if every word or phrase is acceptable or not it's ok with me if you feel the line has been crossed in any way at that point just delete the entire post and indicate you've done so, as you did, because of inappropriate language.

August 10, 2017
10:49 am
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I can see not attacking other forum members, but why are we not allowed to negatively criticize persons in prominent positions who would never "stoop so low" as to leave their ivory (or in Tangerine's case, all glass) tower(s) let alone join this online message board and, yes, if that means some crude language (i.e., bitch, snake, etc.), so be it?

I think that's a mistake, personally, as only the strictest of online message boards concern themselves with mild profanity (i.e., bitch, ass, shit, crap, etc.). Restricting certain very profane words, such as a certain one that begins with the letter "f" and the "other c-word" is fine.

This is an unfair, unjustified infringement on freedom of speech and I have to say, I'm not a fan. I'm not liking what I'm seeing. 🙁

Moreover, it's also an unfair application of the "rules" when people are allowed to continuously lob attacks and sling innuendo against major chartered banks or chartered bank holding companies (i.e., Home Capital Group), some of whom are no doubt short sellers and have dubious motives, but I can't vent frustration at some rather troubling signs on the part of Tangerine's new CEO, an anonymous, faceless, railroading badger (apologies to badgers, though, as they are a nice animal, unlike the CEO to whom I've just compared! sf-cool) with NO social media presence, NO connection to customers, questionable experience and qualifications for the job and like that is nothing like her fine predecessor(s) at Tangerine? 🙁

As for the "blue hairs" that can't handle a bit of mild namecalling: that's rather sad. 🙁

Cheers,
Doug

August 10, 2017
6:47 pm
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MG said

I fully expected my total rate to increase by 0.1% as I recall that Tangerine lowered my overall rate in the past when they decreased their base rate. But, it is not to be! sf-cry I checked my account today and looked at the terms and conditions of my summer promotion. Tangerine ended up LOWERING my incremental special rate so that the total (special rate plus base rate) was unchanged and they actually updated my promotional offer with a date of August 1. Very frustrating - I checked the fine print and they seem to be covered. Bummer! sf-yell  

Of course I would prefer that my 3.22% offer changed to 3.32% but I do not expect that. The offer was 3.22% to Sept 30, not 2.42% bonus for that period.

August 10, 2017
8:41 pm
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Dougie....maybe use the new photo feature to express yourself....sf-laughsf-cool

Tangerine....Canada's best bank. LBC.............Canada's 2nd best bank.
Hubert.....worst bank in Canada.

August 11, 2017
3:15 am
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If one must resort to profanity, whether strong or weak, suggests they do not have the ability to comment, or criticize in a manner that would be acceptable to all members of the forum. At the same time it will get the message to the company they are upset with.

If one has a beef with a banking facility, or doesn't particularly like the way they choose to do business, then don't deal with them.

The language used by member Doug is totally unacceptable.

August 11, 2017
4:15 am
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I would suggest that a "free for all" thread be created where profanity, political mud slinging and the like can be used and discussed. A big warning can be inserted in the header that profanity in use and the only thread where it is accepted. Public forums need to cater to all members within reason if they intend to grow.

August 11, 2017
1:27 pm
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Good idea twotons! And I want to say that Doug doesn't deserve this, he always has informative interesting posts!

August 14, 2017
5:28 am
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People having the need to release their true inner-self, through profanity-laced comments, should sign themselves up with a no-holds barred Twitter account, and go #%&@$#& crazy.

August 14, 2017
10:48 am
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Top It Up, I agree, the vocabularily-challenged have a million other outlets to vent their spleen online. Kinda nice, the general tone that's been established here, IMO.

August 14, 2017
6:29 pm
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This is a very select forum. It's for sure not Reddit or other no holds bar arenas.

The creator of this site probably never sought it to be popular.

Just bring people of similar concerns and reassurances together that actually like the content and want to contribute.

It should be a safe place from swears and other rudeness, as much as possible.

August 15, 2017
5:39 am
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Don't imagine many children frequent this forum, and I presume we are all adults here, from all different walks of life. What is inappropriate in a boardroom is mild on the shop floor. I was a Teamster for 20 years and have heard things that I couldn't even imagine on my own. Profanity is used to illicit a reaction or express serious frustration / emotion. Even my 83 year old mother says "It's just a word". If it bothers you, you are the one with a problem. As long as we don't make personal attacks against forum members, I see nothing wrong with using mild profanity to express ourselves, keeping in mind that it is not an "adult" only web site. For those living in the plastic bubble of etiquette, go take a look at the washroom walls of the stalls in your local elementary school. Opened my eyes to what our youth find acceptable and where the world is heading.

August 15, 2017
7:19 am
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User230 said
This is a very select forum. It's for sure not Reddit or other no holds bar arenas.

The creator of this site probably never sought it to be popular.

Just bring people of similar concerns and reassurances together that actually like the content and want to contribute.

It should be a safe place from swears and other rudeness, as much as possible.  

You have expressed the most rational response to the discussion, 230. Having administered and managed online forums for the past twenty five years, from Compuserve to several peer to peer support and information forums today, I can attest to the need to maintain order and and civility to maintain the intellectual and moral integrity of a forum.

Visiting a forum is like visiting the home of the forum owner / administrator....his home, his rules.

The way one would conduct themself in the living room of the forum's owner with friends and family gathered, is the way one should think of conducting themself in his online forum.

This Forum, from what I can tell, is intended for intelligent exchange of fact based financial information among mature and rational individuals. I fail to see how profanity can be seen as enhancing the quality of that kind of information.

August 15, 2017
12:26 pm
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I always like having those quiet, polite teammates on the ice with me, they're the best when it comes to handling the goons. And maybe it's not so bad if the adults set a good example for those elementary school kids writing on the washroom stalls.

August 15, 2017
5:51 pm
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What happened to warrant a thread/discussion about profanity? Did someone say "butt"? Shame and get out the soap.
Seriously, I find this forum very well behaved. Perhaps some people need to lighten up a bit? This ain't the flippen bible belt.
I'm sure there is a moderator. That's his/her job.
Feel free to delete my post for borderline profanity and heavy sarcasm.

August 15, 2017
6:06 pm
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Doug said

This is an unfair, unjustified infringement on freedom of speech and I have to say, I'm not a fan. I'm not liking what I'm seeing.

This is a strange comment given the fact this is a privately-owned comment forum AND given that fact, all members are Guests of the forum and essentially have NO rights and freedoms other than, those granted by the proprietor.

August 15, 2017
10:21 pm
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Rick said
Don't imagine many children frequent this forum, and I presume we are all adults here, from all different walks of life. What is inappropriate in a boardroom is mild on the shop floor....

Lol. I don't believe these stereotypes are valid anymore. I hear more profanity working in the head office of a major public corporation then I ever did working in a steel mill. The days of "Leave it to Beaver" are long gone...thank goodness.

August 16, 2017
3:42 pm
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Rick said
Don't imagine many children frequent this forum, and I presume we are all adults here, from all different walks of life. What is inappropriate in a boardroom is mild on the shop floor. I was a Teamster for 20 years and have heard things that I couldn't even imagine on my own. Profanity is used to illicit a reaction or express serious frustration / emotion. Even my 83 year old mother says "It's just a word". If it bothers you, you are the one with a problem. As long as we don't make personal attacks against forum members, I see nothing wrong with using mild profanity to express ourselves, keeping in mind that it is not an "adult" only web site. For those living in the plastic bubble of etiquette, go take a look at the washroom walls of the stalls in your local elementary school. Opened my eyes to what our youth find acceptable and where the world is heading.  

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

That is why we have rules and laws.

Think twice, be nice.

August 17, 2017
5:05 am
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mmlt said
What happened to warrant a thread/discussion about profanity? Did someone say "butt"? Shame and get out the soap.
Seriously, I find this forum very well behaved. Perhaps some people need to lighten up a bit? This ain't the flippen bible belt.
I'm sure there is a moderator. That's his/her job.
Feel free to delete my post for borderline profanity and heavy sarcasm.  

I will join you in this opinion mmit.
It must be so exhausting to be offended by everything.
Ironic as well how the biggest trouble makers on this site are the most self righteous and morally indignant.
Hilarious!
Please feel free to ban me too sf-kiss

August 17, 2017
7:47 am
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Pretty obvious of those wondering, of the supposed need for "wholesomeness" on a comment forum, are unaware of the language used in the "offending" post.

The offending post STILL makes mention of a word that the writer deems as mild profanity and which society sees as a slur.

August 17, 2017
8:51 am
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There are two issues here. One is profanity. And I think we've all heard lots of swear words, not really anything new, so if you need to swear and show the world how badass, edgy and un-bluehair you are, I suppose Peter can just edit in order to maintain the tone he prefers on his site. At this time it's a small minority anyway.

The other issue is personal attacks. I think we all agree that we should not personally attack each other here. I don't think anyone here should call (for example) Doug "an anonymous, faceless, railroading badger", I don't imagine he'd appreciate that (never mind that it's probably inaccurate), and what's the point of spending your time trading insults with people you don't know? I think we're all here to trade information.

As far as anonymous personal attacks on 3rd parties, such as Tangerine's Ms Rideout, I don't know - I don't get why an adult would do that (except an attack on Justin Trudeau - just kidding!!!) but I suppose here again Peter will just edit what he doesn't like.

At the end of the day, I think we should try to communicate in a way so that Dad doesn't have to waste his time intervening, I'm sure he's got better things to do.

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