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Is Oaken Vulnerable: Home Capital Group
April 25, 2017
12:10 pm
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What will Dr. Peter say tomorrow? Annoying illiterate FUD purveyors No BUENO.

highinterestsavings.ca, one of canadian largest online interest rate tracking sites, has pulled Dr_Hubert off its platform
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April 25, 2017
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Dr_Hubert said
Can we get a comment RATEHUB.CA please?

HCG removed from RATEHUB.CA

What will Dr. Smith say tomorrow? HCG and GIC's No BUENO.
no bueno  

This is a spam from shorters. We are not scared.sf-laugh

April 25, 2017
12:17 pm
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Canaccord Genuity Wealth Management Announcement

canaccord removed HCG

I felt the need to put this text in bold caps:

"THE PRODUCT REVIEW COMMITTEE HAS DETERMINED THAT TWO OF OUR INVESTMENT SAVINGS ACCOUNT PROVIDERS, HOME TRUST AND EQUITABLE BANK, WILL BE REMOVED FROM OUR PLATFORM DUE TO CERTAIN RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH THEIR BUSINESS"

Canaccord Genuity, a large institution that should have a strong pulse for what is happening in the Canadian financial markets, has decided that it has a fiduciary duty to prevent its clients from parking money at Home Capital Group.

April 25, 2017
12:20 pm
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One year ago. Old news. How much do you get paid by Marc Cohodes?

April 25, 2017
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Brimleychen said

This is a spam from shorters. We are not scared.sf-laugh  

Hi Brimleychen, you must be a very brave man.

hcg gic

April 25, 2017
12:28 pm
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With CDIC, I am OK, and fully insured. I think you'd better to watching your short leverage. Like Marc Cohodes, his hedge fund was closed after 2008, and he had to go back to feed his chicken.sf-laugh

April 25, 2017
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Norman1 said

That sounds like some kind of employee profit sharing program.  

Yes, that kind of employee profit sharing program is known as PPID. HCG Dutch Tender announced in Feb 2016 was a tool to PUMP so the insiders can DUMP.
dutch tender

April 25, 2017
12:41 pm
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There is nothing wrong with share buy-back and well publicized on TSX and company websites.
http://www.homecapital.com/pre.....0final.pdf

Please make sure you understand this was the offer to existing shareholders only.

Too bad, you could not short during that time, because you didn't have shares.sf-cool

April 25, 2017
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Troll FUD

For the non-under-a-bridge-waiting-for-three-goats contingent, a note that "brokered deposits" may mean something like this, where a single entity is placing a large amount with a bank, and selling it off in pieces, or otherwise acting as a single chokepoint for decisions. GIC brokers, or GICs sold through stockbrokers, are not that; each investor is making a separate decision as to where their money goes. Home distinguishes GIC sales through their own Oaken brand vs those sold through the brokerage channels, but they are all individual retail deposits.

If Home is locked out of a bunch of the Big5 brokerage channels, that would be bad, but it looks like they are staying there (with $100K caps). It looks like they are back on RateHub as well. Move along, nothing to see here... 🙂

April 25, 2017
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NorthernRaven said
Troll FUD

For the non-under-a-bridge-waiting-for-three-goats contingent, a note that "brokered deposits" may mean something like this, where a single entity is placing a large amount with a bank, and selling it off in pieces, or otherwise acting as a single chokepoint for decisions. GIC brokers, or GICs sold through stockbrokers, are not that; each investor is making a separate decision as to where their money goes. Home distinguishes GIC sales through their own Oaken brand vs those sold through the brokerage channels, but they are all individual retail deposits.

If Home is locked out of a bunch of the Big5 brokerage channels, that would be bad, but it looks like they are staying there (with $100K caps). It looks like they are back on RateHub as well. Move along, nothing to see here... 🙂  

There's been identical posts across a variety of different investing message boards. I'm surprised the trolling has even reached a GIC forum. Looks like the shorts are going so far as to deliberate trying to stoke fear in depositors and spark a run on the bank.

For those worried about Home's viability - consider that their mortgage arrears rate is at 0.24%. The company remains highly profitable with a ton of excess capital.

But anyway, that's beside the point. Their deposits are insured by CDIC.

April 25, 2017
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Dr_Hubert said
Hi Brimleychen, you must be a very brave man.

hcg gic  

Brimleychen may be brave. But, he doesn't need to be. sf-laugh

Canadian GIC's don't work the same as American Certificates of Deposit (American CD's).

A five-year American CD is usually cashable before maturity, with a penalty. In contrast, a five-year Canadian GIC is usually not cashable until maturity, except maybe in the case the depositor dies.

So, those brokered GIC's and those Oaken GIC's cannot "walk out the door" any time except at maturity.

Guess whoever wrote that malarkey didn't realize that Home Capital Group, Home Trust, and Home Bank are all in Canada and not the US.

April 25, 2017
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Norman1 said

... a five-year Canadian GIC is usually not cashable until maturity, except maybe in the case the depositor dies.
  

For the record, Outlook Financial ONLY offers "cashable" GICs, with the following conditions -

WHY OUTLOOK CASHABLE GICS?

In addition to the guaranteed interest rates of GICs, Outlook GICs offer these other advantages.

Unlike many other financial institutions, Outlook GICs are guaranteed without limit for 100% of the deposit and interest, so your investments are worry-free.

Choose from 1 to 5 year GICs with Outlook’s great rates – higher than most conventional financial institutions.

You can withdraw from your GIC at any time, so you’re secure in knowing you have the money if you really need it. The minimum withdrawal amount is $1000. You must maintain a minimum balance of $1000, or you have the option to cash your entire GIC at the early withdrawal rate. Withdrawals from Cashable GICs made prior to the maturity date will earn the early-withdrawal interest rate on the funds withdrawn, calculated back to the date of deposit. The remainder of the GIC will continue to earn its regular rate of interest.

April 25, 2017
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Brimleychen said
One year ago. Old news. How much do you get paid by Marc Cohodes?  

Maybe he IS Cohodes.
Hopefully the moderator has kicked him off finally.
Please be vigilant about any newbies. I can tolerate dissent but not this self-serving intentional attempt to sew financial panic.

April 25, 2017
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Good work from BrimleyChen and Norman1.

April 26, 2017
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Two articles on HCG. The second explains a "short squeeze" and why shorters are themselves at big risk now of losing money on HCG.

http://www.fool.ca/2017/04/25/.....st-crisis/

http://www.fool.ca/2017/04/25/.....t-squeeze/

April 26, 2017
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Dr_Hubert said
Oaken removed  

Wrong again

Rate hub is showing Oaken as the best GIC rates available

Also, they are at .ca not .com you American, and are not a broker. Ugh

April 26, 2017
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Home Trust is safe now.

Home Capital Announces Non-Binding Agreement in Principle with Major Institutional Investor for Credit Line of $2 Billion

http://web.tmxmoney.com/articl.....symbol=HCG

April 26, 2017
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Actually, there's apparently a $100 million fee, and 10% interest on drawn funds ($1 billion initial draw) and 2.5% on standby (the other billion), so this is a very costly funding lifeline.

April 26, 2017
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Brimleychen said

Home Trust is safe now.   

NorthernRaven said

Actually, there's apparently a $100 million fee, and 10% interest on drawn funds ($1 billion initial draw) and 2.5% on standby (the other billion), so this is a very costly funding lifeline.  

Hmmmm, I'm no longer sure where this story might be headed

http://www.theglobeandmail.com.....e34816524/

http://business.financialpost......ts-decline

But I am sure the CDIC is all over this.

April 26, 2017
8:21 am
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Just from my point of view. Oaken, Home Trust has had so much negative publicity over the years I just can no longer support them or any other FI with the word trust in their name like Peoples Trust.

Their share price is down by 59% and high interest savings account balances at Home Trust have fallen by $591 million in the period from March 28 to April 24 which is a reflection of non confidence.

I am sure there is a technical reason why some FI's have the word "trust" in their name BUT I am prepared to stay away from any FI that uses "trust" in their name or any of their slogans. The word trust can refer to "reliance on the integrity, strength, ability, surety, etc., of a person or thing; confidence", which in the case of Home Trust (Oaken) is very misleading.

Here is a another misleading, to me, slogan from another FI "strong reliable trustworthy forward-thinking". So far nothing like that has happened for my investments!!

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