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The Little Western Canadian Bank That Could . . .
December 8, 2023
10:15 am
Dean
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An interesting article that I thought I'd share . . .

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Motive Financial is in Good Hands !

    Dean

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December 8, 2023
10:27 am
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Now if only Motive didn't require you have a smart phone to open an account. They do look like a good institution for the majority who do though.

December 8, 2023
10:37 am
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Say What ?! ⬆

I recently became new a customer at Motive, and I now have two SAs and a GIC with them ... all done on my Desktop ... No smart phone involved.

    Dean

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December 8, 2023
10:41 am
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Dean said
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Say What ?! ⬆

I recently became new a customer at Motive, and I now have two SAs and a GIC with them ... all done on my Desktop ... No smart phone involved.

    Dean

  

Interesting, when I tried they said I had to give them a smartphone for their 2FA authentication and for a code during sign up which would be sent by text. This was a few weeks ago.motive.jpg

I even emailed their support and got this answer:

Motive Financial does require a cellphone number of a phone that can receive text messages use of Multi-Factor Authentication – we send a text message to you every time you log into your account for security purposes to minimize unwanted access.

This is similar operations to most online banks since we operate non-face-to-face.

We apologize for the inconvenience,

Client Support

T 1.877.441.2249 | F 1.877.441.2250
Suite 3000, 10303 Jasper Ave
Edmonton, AB, T5J 3X6
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December 8, 2023
10:46 am
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phrank said

Interesting, when I tried they said I had to give them a smartphone for their 2FA authentication and for a code during sign up which would be sent by text. This was a few weeks ago.  

Check again ... you can also have the 2FA sent as an Email (no smart phone required).

That's how mine is.

    Dean

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December 8, 2023
10:48 am
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Dean said

Check again ... you can also have the 2FA sent as an Email (no smart phone required).

That's how mine is.

    Dean

  

I was told no. How did you bypass the requirement when creating the account?

I tried ignoring the requirement for a mobile number as well and it wouldn't let me proceed.

December 8, 2023
4:48 pm
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phrank said

I was told no. How did you bypass the requirement when creating the account?

I tried ignoring the requirement for a mobile number as well and it wouldn't let me proceed.  

It was about 5-6 months ago when I first opened a SA at Motive, so I was a bit fuzzy on how I was able to get it done without a cell #. So ... I had to think about it for a while sf-embarassed.

Some of its come back to me now . . .

    We don't have cell reception at our rural acreage, so I called into Motive and asked for help. I musta got lucky and ended up talking to a more senior/knowledgeable CSR. She remembered that their IT Dept. had a back-door workaround, for setting up an account without using a cell # (2FA sent by email instead). Later that day she made some enquiries in their IT Dept., and the next day she called me back and told me the back-door method.

Unfortunately, I don't remember the details of that method anymore, but I'm guessing it still exists.

Call them back and ask the CSR to contact their IT Dept.

Good Luck ... and may 'The Force' be with you !

    Tell 'em Dean sent you sf-wink

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December 8, 2023
5:01 pm
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Thank you Dean, I will do that and call if I decide to open with them again. I guarantee they all have this ability, it's just whether they allow you to use it or not, because either they are not knowledgeable or the policy is too strong with the dark side.

December 8, 2023
5:56 pm
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phrank said
Now if only Motive didn't require you have a smart phone to open an account. They do look like a good institution for the majority who do though.  

I've been with Motive since 2019 -- before they requested 2-step verification via cell (although I've never been asked). I refuse to use my cell for banking and closed my accounts with Saven Financial for this very reason. My 2-step verification with Motive is currently done via e-mail. If it is requested by Motive that I use my cell for verification, I will close my accounts with them too. This may not help you much, but perhaps you can use Dean's comment and mine as reference when talking with Motive, to let them know you are aware that it can be done and it is already in effect for others.

December 9, 2023
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Not sure why u prefer email over phone 2FA when email is much less secured, especially if security is your concern.

December 9, 2023
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Not sure about this backdoor method. Had I known, I would have pushed for it too.

I ended up having to use a cell #. I used the same one to open accounts for my entire family over the past week or so. Once done, you do not need it again. You can have 2FA done via email only. So the cell # is temporary and does not have to stay linked to your account.

That is what I did. Now all 2FA is via email.

Pros and cons for 2FA via mobile vs computer. I consider 2FA less secure via email than phone simply because of the mobility of the phone and how easy it is to hack into a phone.

And via email, you can still access 2FA via mobile. So best of both worlds.

December 9, 2023
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Pros and cons for 2FA via mobile vs computer. I consider 2FA less secure via email than phone simply because of the mobility of the phone and how easy it is to hack into a phone.
And via email, you can still access 2FA via mobile. So best of both worlds.  

Unless ur email is setup to require 2FA every time u access ur email (which then will mean the 2FA is sent to a phone after all :0), I dont know why email is more secure.
If anything, one is much easier to hack my email acct than my phone.
if the FBI cant even hack an iphone (it was on the news not too long ago), I consider my phone pretty safe 🙂
Its true tho email 2FA means u can access via mobile or desktop.

December 9, 2023
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for interest sake said

I've been with Motive since 2019 -- before they requested 2-step verification via cell (although I've never been asked). I refuse to use my cell for banking and closed my accounts with Saven Financial for this very reason. My 2-step verification with Motive is currently done via e-mail. If it is requested by Motive that I use my cell for verification, I will close my accounts with them too. This may not help you much, but perhaps you can use Dean's comment and mine as reference when talking with Motive, to let them know you are aware that it can be done and it is already in effect for others.  

Thank you for sharing your experience, I appreciate it!

December 9, 2023
7:44 am
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Not sure about this backdoor method. Had I known, I would have pushed for it too.

I ended up having to use a cell #. I used the same one to open accounts for my entire family over the past week or so. Once done, you do not need it again. You can have 2FA done via email only. So the cell # is temporary and does not have to stay linked to your account.

That is what I did. Now all 2FA is via email.

Pros and cons for 2FA via mobile vs computer. I consider 2FA less secure via email than phone simply because of the mobility of the phone and how easy it is to hack into a phone.

And via email, you can still access 2FA via mobile. So best of both worlds.  

That's great to know. There's such an inability for people to imagine that other people aren't living their reality, that it's just assumed you have or will use a smartphone for everything and they can't even begin to understand that there are many good reasons for people to do things differently from them or the preferences of the business they own/work for.

December 9, 2023
8:33 am
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Oh... should I not consider CWB for an RRIF, then, as I don't use online banking? I can imagine requiring two-factor ID of some sort for online use, but what if one only wants to use the branch?

Guess I can't see until Monday.

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