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Motive leading the pack now for 1 through 5 yr GIC's
May 9, 2022
9:24 am
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One year GIC @3.25%. We are getting there. sf-surprised

May 9, 2022
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... and 4.55% on 6 thru 10 years.

May 9, 2022
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The next six months are going to get interesting. I expect the perennial leaders, Oaken and EQ, to respond quickly to Motive's precedent.

May 9, 2022
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lifeonanisland said
The next six months are going to get interesting. I expect the perennial leaders, Oaken and EQ, to respond quickly to Motive's precedent.  

That is possible but in the event Canada goes into recession by the end of the year, which is a real possibility, rates will regress fairly quickly.

May 9, 2022
2:32 pm
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canadian.100 said

That is possible but in the event Canada goes into recession by the end of the year, which is a real possibility, rates will regress fairly quickly.  

I'm in the camp that believes a recession is inevitable as a result of inflation and interest rate hikes to deal with it. But I'm not too worried about that happening in the time frame you're suggesting. These things are like oil tankers...sheer momentum and size means that they can't stop or turn on a dime. That said, I think there could be some rate hike reversals at some point in 2023.

May 9, 2022
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lifeonanisland said

I'm in the camp that believes a recession is inevitable as a result of inflation and interest rate hikes to deal with it. But I'm not too worried about that happening in the time frame you're suggesting. These things are like oil tankers...sheer momentum and size means that they can't stop or turn on a dime. That said, I think there could be some rate hike reversals at some point in 2023.  

Yup, I think a recession is inevitable. But in the last couple of months, many Canadians have become even more afraid of inflation than a recession -- especially since it affects them (or is *perceived* to affect them) more directly and measurably. They can see the price of pickles going up.

At the same time, the BoC is obliged to keep in close alignment with the US Fed. If the BoC moves too fast on hikes CDN gets stronger relative to USD -- which is bad news for exporters (Canada is I believe the 12th largest exporter in the world). So you'll have inflation + recession at the same time = stagflation.

In a dictatorship stagflation is obviously unwelcome, but it's possible -- the people who trigger it don't have to worry about not sticking around. But in a democracy it's political suicide.

May 9, 2022
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turquoise said

Yup, I think a recession is inevitable. But in the last couple of months, many Canadians have become even more afraid of inflation than a recession -- especially since it affects them (or is *perceived* to affect them) more directly and measurably. They can see the price of pickles going up.

At the same time, the BoC is obliged to keep in close alignment with the US Fed. If the BoC moves too fast on hikes CDN gets stronger relative to USD -- which is bad news for exporters (Canada is I believe the 12th largest exporter in the world). So you'll have inflation + recession at the same time = stagflation.

In a dictatorship stagflation is obviously unwelcome, but it's possible -- the people who trigger it don't have to worry about not sticking around. But in a democracy it's political suicide.  

Couldn't agree more. Interesting times. My sympathies to younger Canadians who have inherited this mess. True, many should have been aware of the impending disaster. But so many have been overtly recruited and taught to normalize the idea of being in debt in order to receive instant gratification.

May 9, 2022
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period sf-wink

May 9, 2022
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lifeonanisland said

Couldn't agree more. Interesting times. My sympathies to younger Canadians who have inherited this mess. True, many should have been aware of the impending disaster. But so many have been overtly recruited and taught to normalize the idea of being in debt in order to receive instant gratification.  

Exactly. When I bought my first home in the late 80's I was ecstatic to get a great mortgage rate of 12.2%. And after I never went for the (very tempting) variable rates offered. I always went fixed. Though it was a higher rate, I knew what I would be paying. That scenario is pretty much unknown to younger folks these days and I'm afraid there will many more people "mortgage poor" or losing their homes in the coming years as rates go up.

May 9, 2022
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Stagflation is not at all political suicide in Canada, check out 1970s & 1st half of 1980s and you'll see we essentially had one prime minster whose name is still revered by many today. Play your cards right it's no problem. Gov't will just send/spend money to keep folks afloat, I don't think it'll be a disaster.

May 9, 2022
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Bill said
Stagflation is not at all political suicide in Canada, check out 1970s & 1st half of 1980s and you'll see we essentially had one prime minster whose name is still revered by many today. Play your cards right it's no problem. Gov't will just send/spend money to keep folks afloat, I don't think it'll be a disaster.  

Uhhh. No. Wrong.

May 9, 2022
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We had the same PM from 1968 to 1979 and again from 1980 to 1984, stagflation was during the 1970s for the most part. So not political suicide in a democracy, in fact political security, it appears, is what I'm thinking.

May 10, 2022
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A big thumbs up for their service and efficiency. From picking up the phone, to having them remove a hold on the newly transferred in funds, and use the $ to buy a GIC, total time taken under 3mins !

May 10, 2022
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Bill said
Stagflation is not at all political suicide in Canada, check out 1970s & 1st half of 1980s and you'll see we essentially had one prime minster whose name is still revered by many today. Play your cards right it's no problem. Gov't will just send/spend money to keep folks afloat, I don't think it'll be a disaster.  

The political landscape is categorically different now than in the 1970s and early 1980s -- especially the demographics. Party affiliation does not mean the same thing or work the same way. Information (both reliable and unreliable) is not just more readily available, but it's often overwhelming and unavoidable.

Maybe -- MAYBE -- very early in their mandate a government with a rock solid majority might have the political capital (or just the sheer authority) to rip off the band aid, with the hopes of 'owning the recovery' 3-4 years later and riding that into the next election cycle.

But with a minority government it is not imaginable. Hell, the Rae NDP government in Ontario made some really, really bad economic policy decisions and they haven't been able to get rid of that stench for nearly 30 years! Any party today that is tied to stagflation might as well disband and re-invent themselves.

May 10, 2022
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Next Bank of Canada interest rate update is June 1. Personally, I'm anticipating more GIC increases after that announcement.

https://www.bankofcanada.ca/2021/07/bank-canada-publishes-its-2022-schedule-policy-interest-rate-announcements-release-monetary-policy-report-other-major-publications/

May 10, 2022
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LK said
Next Bank of Canada interest rate update is June 1. Personally, I'm anticipating more GIC increases after that announcement.

https://www.bankofcanada.ca/2021/07/bank-canada-publishes-its-2022-schedule-policy-interest-rate-announcements-release-monetary-policy-report-other-major-publications/  

Agreed. I'm juggling short term fixes like a crazy man for about five to six more months.

May 11, 2022
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lifeonanisland said

Agreed. I'm juggling short term fixes like a crazy man for about five to six more months.  

Do you have a magic number in mind, or some other criteria, that will trigger you to move funds from short term into longer term GICs?

May 11, 2022
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turquoise said

Do you have a magic number in mind, or some other criteria, that will trigger you to move funds from short term into longer term GICs?  

unless u can predict when rates are going to peak not just now but also at the next cycle, there is no true winning path. Just lock in to different terms at different rates to reduce ur anxiety about missing out.

May 11, 2022
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turquoise said

Do you have a magic number in mind, or some other criteria, that will trigger you to move funds from short term into longer term GICs?  

It's really tough to figure out right now. I have an interest rate in mind that I would like to ladder as much as ten years out...and that's 6 percent. Given that Motive is at 4.55 for 6 years and beyond right now, and assuming that we see another 1.5 percent bump in B of C base rate over the course of the next three or four meetings, I think that number is possible. So I'm juggling special rates at Tangerine, and half decent short term GICs at Oaken and EQ, for the next five months or so, and then we'll see. What I'll try to gauge at that point is if the rate hikes have dampened inflation (lots of good analysis out there that it won't be enough). If not, there will likely be more hikes. If it has tamed inflation somewhat, my fear is that our debt-addicted, market-pumping (stock and real estate) government and central bank capitulate when they see home prices really pull back (and I think that they will), along with some real pain in the stock market. If they had guts, they'd stick with the program and rip that band-aid off completely. Again, my fear is that they have no guts (keep that party rolling!). If that pans out, it might be a short window of opportunity. Also a writer, BTW.

May 11, 2022
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    Re: "Motive leading the pack now for 1 through 5 yr GIC's"

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And two days later, Motive has fallen to #3

Give it another week or so, and Motive will be back down in the middle of the pack, where they usually are.

Wild Times ❗

    Dean

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