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Bank or credit union goes bankrupt and loans get called back - possible?
March 22, 2023
4:58 pm
butterflycharm
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If economy does not do well at one point and more banks or credit unions go bankrupt, is it possible that the administrator of the bankrupted bank ask back its lent out monies? (i.e mortgages, HELOCs, LOCs, etc) before their maturity date?

Also, on the other side, is it possible that a GIC provider gives the cash back to the lender because the rates have gone really down where the FI wants to get out of them?

Has this happened in history?

March 23, 2023
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In the case of a bank or credit union going bankrupt, the administrator will typically have the authority to sell the assets of the institution, including loans such as mortgages, HELOCs, and LOCs, to recover as much of the funds as possible for the creditors. However, it is unlikely that the administrator would demand early repayment of these loans from borrowers before their maturity date, as doing so would likely cause significant financial hardship for the borrowers and could have broader economic consequences.

As for the second part of your question, it is possible for a GIC provider to buy back a GIC from the lender if they have a provision for early redemption in their terms and conditions. However, it is not common for GIC providers to do so solely because interest rates have gone down. Usually, GICs have a fixed term and a fixed rate of interest, which means that lenders have agreed to lock in their funds for a specified period, regardless of market fluctuations in interest rates.

In terms of historical examples, during the 2008 financial crisis, several banks and financial institutions went bankrupt, and their assets, including loans, were sold off to recover funds for creditors. However, it is important to note that the specifics of each bankruptcy case will vary depending on the circumstances, and there is no universal rule for how bankruptcies are handled.

March 23, 2023
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If a financial institution goes bankrupt, it no longer controls its assets or affairs. The receiver makes decisions about what to do, and that is usually either the deposit insurer or the purchaser of the financial institution - depending on how the bankruptcy is handled. The institution has no more input to what happens.

Beyond that, a contract is a contract. As long as the institution exists in a functioning state (not frozen. for example), it is bound by its contracts.
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March 23, 2023
1:51 pm
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When an entity goes into receivership a receiver continues operations, to some degree. When an entity enters bankruptcy it's over, trustee in bankruptcy oversees windup.

March 23, 2023
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That depends on what the creditors decide.

Algoma Steel has been through bankruptcy multiple times. Instead of liquidation, creditors agreed to become the new shareholders after existing shares are cancelled.

So, Algoma Steel emerges from bankruptcy and continues.

March 23, 2023
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But an interesting question from the OP as it pertains to demand loans and LOCs in particular. If those assets are not financially attractive enough to be sold at full value, why wouldn't they be called? The same with HISA deposits (giving back the deposit).

The lender should not give a damn about borrower hardship. The borrower entered into the contract with full knowledge demand loans can be called.

Added: It may be unlikely for either event to occur but they could on the absence of good market value

March 23, 2023
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seylen said
As for the second part of your question, it is possible for a GIC provider to buy back a GIC from the lender if they have a provision for early redemption in their terms and conditions.

Do GICs come with an agreement sheet? and is redemption clause usually there?

March 23, 2023
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In my limited experience, non-redeemable GICs have not been redeemable by either party before maturity.

March 25, 2023
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GIC's are usually not redeemable early by the issuer. Deposits that are redeemable at the whim of the issuer are specialized products like these TD extendible deposit notes.

Yes, GIC's have legal terms and conditions. There's more to a GIC than the amount, rate, and maturity date. Some of the RBC Royal Bank ones are made up of four agreements.

March 25, 2023
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Norman1 said
GIC's are usually not redeemable early by the issuer. Deposits that are redeemable at the whim of the issuer are specialized products like these TD extendible deposit notes.

Yes, GIC's have legal terms and conditions. There's more to a GIC than the amount, rate, and maturity date. Some of the RBC Royal Bank ones are made up of four agreements.  

Even then those notes are labeled ‘extendible” as oppose to callable.
This way it’s clear to the investor the maturity date is the shorter date, and only extend if TD chooses to.

This contrasts pref shares which are usually reset every 5 years with call feature.

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