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CRA processing of Income Tax Returns
May 14, 2023
11:04 am
Alexandra
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I sent in my (paper) return on 11 April. So far response: April 25th: We received your 2022 income tax and benefit return. April 25th: We are processing your 2022
income tax and benefit return.

I am expecting a refund. I also helped a couple of seniors with their returns both of whom would not be getting a refund or the need to pay any amount owing. Theirs were received and completed very early on.

I wonder when they will get around to mine? Anyone else having similar experience? Thanks.sf-embarassed

May 14, 2023
11:29 am
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Sent both mine & the wife's on Apr/08.Wife got her refund in less than 3 weeks.I havn't heard anything about mine yet.Expecting a refund.Both paper as well.

May 14, 2023
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WOW ... The last time I did a 'Paper' return must have been about 10 years ago.
I didn't even think that was a thing anymore ❗

I sent my 'Electronic' Income Tax Return in on April 12th. Six (6) business days later on April 20th, I electronically received my Notice of Assessment, and on that Same day my tax refund was automatically deposited in my SA.

No Muss, No Fuss ... And No Trees Had To Be Cut Down sf-wink

    Dean

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May 14, 2023
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Dean said
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WOW ... The last time I did a 'Paper' return must have been about 10 years ago.
I didn't even think that was a thing anymore ❗

I sent my 'Electronic' Income Tax Return in on April 12th. Six (6) business days later on April 20th, I electronically received my Notice of Assessment, and on that Same day my tax refund was automatically deposited in my SA.

No Muss, No Fuss ... And No Trees Had To Be Cut Down sf-wink

    Dean

  

Ya. I like doing the paper ones. Have rental income as well as other types.
Sometimes I have to explain something and find that easier with using paper.
Also, the low income seniors I do them for appreciate it and understand it better.
They get to fill out the return copy themselves from the draft copy. This way they can follow along with the process better. And it is free for them!!

May 14, 2023
12:42 pm
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I filed electronically and my return is still listed as "processing" since early April.

May 14, 2023
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Filed paper around the same time as you, Alexandra, both of us got our refunds this week.

And no electricity used to run computers, servers, etc, no toxic mine waste created from mining materials for computers, servers, no supply chains re electronics involved, etc, etc, etc, I like paper as the green way to file (do you know how many board feet of lumber grow every second on the planet? thank god somebody's cutting that wood back!). I did use an ancient calculator though, but it's solar powered so I can virtue signal about that.

May 14, 2023
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Bill said
Filed paper around the same time as you, Alexandra, both of us got our refunds this week.

And no electricity used to run computers, servers, etc, no toxic mine waste created from mining materials for computers, servers, no supply chains re electronics involved, etc, etc, etc, 

But you have USED of all above to post your message...
Next time try to use pigeon carrier to send your note. It is natural, orgnic, feeds itself and you can eat it if you have to...

May 14, 2023
3:53 pm
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Thus the non-supportability of that position. Forestry is energy intensive and the making of pulp and paper is highly toxic. https://www.theworldcounts.com/stories/environmental-impact-of-paper-production

May 14, 2023
4:46 pm
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Citing a single source (and that isn't one I'd heed), especially one that lacks comparatives to the options, e.g. comparing every single input involved in using a few sheets of paper vs e-filing a tax return, isn't the way to determine truth. An engineer would say.

But pooreva, you're absolutely right about the pigeon, I retract my right to virtue signal.

May 14, 2023
4:58 pm
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I agree the fraction of a watt it takes to netfile via hardware and software that already exists for hundreds of other reasons is miniscule relative to the cost and damage of the one time use of paper that could end up in CRA warehouses.

May 14, 2023
5:35 pm
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Alexandra said
I sent in my (paper) return on 11 April. So far response: April 25th: We received your 2022 income tax and benefit return. April 25th: We are processing your 2022
income tax and benefit return.

I am expecting a refund. I also helped a couple of seniors with their returns both of whom would not be getting a refund or the need to pay any amount owing. Theirs were received and completed very early on.

I wonder when they will get around to mine? Anyone else having similar experience? Thanks.sf-embarassed  

I am same time line as you, after it said recd and in process on apr25, the express NOA was issued a few days later. Read the full NOA on May 9 too. Maybe cuz they just take my numbers, and remove the tax owed from instalment account.

May 14, 2023
5:36 pm
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I called the CRA on May 11th and a human picked up (she's in Vancouver) in less than 5 minutes. She even sent an email to me listing some links. That is some quality service.

Yes, I filed a paper return this year after about 10 years of filing electronically.

May 14, 2023
5:44 pm
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AltaRed, I said the exact opposite, maybe you're misreading.

This example bit of info might illuminate it's more complex than the fraction of a watt when you hit send: I've read a few times that the vast majority (I've read over the years from 70% to 83% to even more than 90%) of the energy to manufacture, to use and then to dispose of a consumer-style computer has been expended before you even buy it. And that's not considering the heating effect of the world's servers and other hardware facilities used in its operations. I'm saying cradle-to-grave analysis is needed, not just the moment you send the file. But whatever, general media says paper is bad, digital is good, everybody's aware of the mainstream view.

May 14, 2023
6:22 pm
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Bill, I said 'I agree' to assert (in a different way) that it is near impossible for anyone to agree with your position but my 'response style' got lost in the translation. My fault for not being direct.

The things you assert that cost the environment (digital hardware) already exist for dozens/hundreds of other reasons. Electronic filing of tax returns would have no incremental cause, nor effect, of your use of your hardware and that of the internet and the host server for this forum for you to post here. Whether you electronically file your tax returns or not makes no difference to the entirety of the hardware that already exists in your home and elsewhere. Why not electronically file at essentially zero incremental cost to the environment?

The only cost I can see of taxpayers electronic filing tax returns vs not a single person in Canada electronic filing is the incremental operating energy cost to create the file on personal devices and to then transmit the file. I am guessing that is likely in the order of a watt, or fraction thereof, most likely produced by renewable (hydro, solar, wind) power in most provinces. Nothing else is consumed in that process.

OTOH, that paper you used to print your return and mail via Canada Post cost real money and environmental cost to produce (and mail and sort and transport and deliver) and that paper will never again see the light of day until/unless CRA ships it all to a recycler for regeneration of recycled paper. That paper might end up in landfill as organic matter to decompose some day, or worse, burned releasing carbon back into the air.

The world would be better off if no paper mill existed and forestry operations were cut back accordingly to not feed that monster. I do not need any additional analysis to know I am doing the environment a favour.

May 14, 2023
6:27 pm
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Paper is good for me because I don't have to trust records under someone else's control.
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May 14, 2023
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RetirEd said
Paper is good for me because I don't have to trust records under someone else's control.
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Who controls the hard drive or SD card or USB key on your computing device? Is it any different than a paper file in a file cabinet in your home?

May 15, 2023
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With today's widely-deployed technology, there's no way I can prove something in my computer is an actual copy of corporate files. Corporations routinely refuse to supply information about disputed matters. And, of course, having one's computer compromised is more likely for most people than a fire or theft of records.

There are more secure methods, but they are not being used because "frictionless" technology helps sell more stuff.
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May 15, 2023
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I recognize you don't feel comfortable moving with the times and that is your choice to do so. I am indifferent to personal choices but i do object to falsehoods.

An electronic PDF is as legal and legitimate in most cases these days as a signed paper original. Let's leave it at that.

May 16, 2023
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With bills of exchange, like cheques, one doesn't have to prove anything about an electronic official image of the bill.

The Bills of Exchange Act has been amended so that electronic copies are presumed to be real:

Presumption

163.4 (1) In the absence of evidence to the contrary, a document purporting to be an official image of an eligible bill is presumed to be an official image of the eligible bill.

Admissibility

(2) An official image of an eligible bill is admissible in evidence for all purposes for which the eligible bill would be admitted as evidence without proof that the official image was created by or on behalf of a bank in accordance with the by-laws, rules or standards made under the Canadian Payments Act.

True copy of contents

(3) In the absence of evidence to the contrary, an official image of an eligible bill is presumed to be a true and exact copy of the contents of the eligible bill.

May 17, 2023
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Alexandra said
I sent in my (paper) return on 11 April. So far response: April 25th: We received your 2022 income tax and benefit return. April 25th: We are processing your 2022
income tax and benefit return.

I am expecting a refund. I also helped a couple of seniors with their returns both of whom would not be getting a refund or the need to pay any amount owing. Theirs were received and completed very early on.

I wonder when they will get around to mine? Anyone else having similar experience? Thanks.sf-embarassed  

If you have access to your CRA My Account, you may find a Notice of Assessment that should tell you. Also I do believe they will send a refund even if your return has not been verified. There is a deadline when they have to pay YOU by....other wise they have to pay interest to you on the amount owed to you. What date that is...I don’t know. Also, if you do receive a refund on an unverified return you still may have to pay back part of the refund or more or receive a larger refund.

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