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Scrivens Ottawa GIC Rates
December 21, 2022
7:27 am
Nehpets
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Getting close to the 6% threshold this morning:

1-Year 5.90%
2-Year 5.90%
3-Year 5.59%
4-Year 5.59%
5-Year 5.64%

Scrivens website

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December 21, 2022
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So the GICs are actually issued by Scrivens ? Not familiar with the name but website says they are basically an insurance company or a broker ? A little confused who they are/do.

And why such a big diff non registered vs registered account ??

December 21, 2022
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Scrivens is not a GIC issuer.

Scrivens is an insurance broker that also does deposit brokerage.

December 21, 2022
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Norman1 said
Scrivens is not a GIC issuer.

Scrivens is an insurance broker that also does deposit brokerage.  

Thanks. Wonder who they have that pays 5.9% for 1y GIC, but only 5.5% if registered account. 5.9% is way higher than rest of world and almost in the "too good to be true" category right now

December 21, 2022
8:32 am
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It may not be the same financial institution.

The GIC issuer offering 5.9% for one-year GIC's may not be interested in offering RRSP GIC's. If someone wishes to to hold the GIC in a registered account, the investor or broker would have to arrange for their own RRSP trust account with a trust company and buy the GIC through that trust account.

December 21, 2022
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Would love to know who the issuer is. They don't reveal on their website as other brokers do. I'll try reaching out.

December 21, 2022
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GIC brokers always offer worse rates for registered accounts - usually significantly lower. You are almost always better off somewhere else for registered; right now might be an exception.

December 21, 2022
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Rapport Credit Union Peterborough is the 5.9% for 1 and 2 years as per my agent at Scrivens.It might not last long.

December 22, 2022
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I do not see 5.9% today anymore.sf-confused It's 5.75% non registered only

December 23, 2022
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The 5.9% rate was a very short promotion from one institution, we're sorry that it was not longer than two days.

Our current rates are;
1yr 5.58%
2yr 5.57%
3yr 5.59%
5yr 5.64%

https://www.scrivens.ca/investment-rates

Happy to answer any of your questions.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

December 23, 2022
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Not a fan of these types of 1 day promo by a very small name and thru brokers only.

Maybe they meant 5.6% and a typo became 5.9% 🙂

December 23, 2022
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Delighted to see a poster from Scrivens.

December 23, 2022
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hwyc said
Delighted to see a poster from Scrivens.  

Ditto.

December 23, 2022
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savemoresaveoften said
Not a fan of these types of 1 day promo by a very small name and thru brokers only.

Maybe they meant 5.6% and a typo became 5.9% 🙂 

They are called "flash sales". It is one of the reasons smaller financial institutions work with deposit brokers.

A financial institution offers a market leading rate to raise a targeted amount of deposits. The leading rate is yanked at the end of the business day when the target is reached.

December 23, 2022
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hwyc said
Delighted to see a poster from Scrivens.  

Glad to see my broker join the Forum!

Stephen

December 23, 2022
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Roy Evans said
The 5.9% rate was a very short promotion from one institution, we're sorry that it was not longer than two days.

So, how was anyone supposed to take advantage of the promotion? There would not even be any chance for mail to arrive.

Were interested parties supposed to have money sitting in a chequing account, write a cheque, and then walk it over to a Scrivens office?
Does Scrivens somehow accept eFT, for overnight transfers?

It was a good rate and I'm trying to figure out how I might participate, if another appears in the future.

December 23, 2022
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Norman1 said

savemoresaveoften said
Not a fan of these types of 1 day promo by a very small name and thru brokers only.

Maybe they meant 5.6% and a typo became 5.9% 🙂 

They are called "flash sales". It is one of the reasons smaller financial institutions work with deposit brokers.

A financial institution offers a market leading rate to raise a targeted amount of deposits. The leading rate is yanked at the end of the business day when the target is reached.  

I understand that. But why offer 30bps above the highest in the market only to pull it a day later ? It just result in resulting haters who misses out. Isnt it better to offer 15bps above but keep it live for a few days ?

How much are they trying to take in ? A few millions here and there ?? Is that a rounding error or may be not for a small CU ?

December 24, 2022
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No-one wants to pay more than needed. Pricing is not an exact science. If Scrivens and Rapport Credit Union believed paying only an extra 15 bps would attract the targeted amount of deposits in the desired timeframe, then they would have only offered an extra 15 bps.

It is an educated guess. The rate offered will be yanked at the end of the day once the amount of deposits reaches or overshoots the target.

Deposit brokers I've dealt with have cautioned me that the rates I'm quoted are only good for the day. If I like the rate, then I need to act that day. Next day, new rate sheets are issued and that rate from yesterday may no longer be offered by that GIC issuer. Any haters need to deal with their emotional issue.

Yes, the GIC buyers are expected to have money in a chequing account and deliver the cheque to the deposit broker that day. Alternatively, the buyers could have a GIC through the same deposit broker that will mature that day.

No 30-day rate hold because the GIC issuer could want the funds that week and not next month.

December 24, 2022
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Norman1 said
Deposit brokers I've dealt with have cautioned me that the rates I'm quoted are only good for the day. If I like the rate, then I need to act that day. Next day, new rate sheets are issued and that rate from yesterday may no longer be offered by that GIC issuer. Any haters need to deal with their emotional issue.

From ur experience, do you also have to deliver the check the same day and NOT just tell the broker you want to book a nwe GIC at the rate (and put check in the mail) ?

December 24, 2022
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Yes. I needed to drop by, not only to the deliver the cheque, but to also sign the required account opening forms.

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