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Rates May Go Much Higher for Much Longer
May 25, 2022
4:56 am
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@Norman
No one knows how much of the inflation is a direct result of the Ukraine situation.
Same as when CB (and you were in the same camp if I am not mistaken) believed inflation sb transitory 9 months ago. Even if Putin completely withdraw tomorrow, it will take at least a couple of years for the rest of world to resume business with Russia. In other words, CB will need to treat that effect as a real inflation and deal with it via interest rate hike. Looks like we differ on that view point. Will see whos right at the end. No one has the perfect crystal ball and thats what makes things interesting.

Agree with you debt is nothing new nor bad. A smart use of debt is the fundamental building block of a modern economy. Its just individual who use equities in their home as a ATM the real issue.

May 25, 2022
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Billionaire hedge fund manager Bill Ackman said raging inflation will only dissipate if the Federal Reserve acts more aggressively or the market sell-off turns into a full-on collapse.

“There is no prospect for a material reduction in inflation unless the Fed aggressively raises rates, or the stock market crashes, catalyzing an economic collapse and demand destruction,” Ackman said in a slew of tweets Tuesday.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/24/bill-ackman-says-a-more-aggressive-fed-or-market-collapse-are-the-only-ways-to-stop-this-inflation.html

May 25, 2022
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Norman1 said
You're the one that actually needs help if you can't see how misguided it is to use interest rates to tame inflation caused by the boycott of Russian oil, Russian gas, Russian wheat, and other Russian exports.

This is exactly what Elvira Sakhipzadovna Nabiullina, Chairwoman of the Bank of Russia, is doing to tame inflation in Russia, which is caused by the economic boycott of Russia.

May 25, 2022
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Alexandre said

Norman1 said
You're the one that actually needs help if you can't see how misguided it is to use interest rates to tame inflation caused by the boycott of Russian oil, Russian gas, Russian wheat, and other Russian exports.

This is exactly what Elvira Sakhipzadovna Nabiullina, Chairwoman of the Bank of Russia, is doing to tame inflation in Russia, which is caused by the economic boycott of Russia.  

Hopefully noone is looking to Russia for guidance on any topic ...

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May 25, 2022
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Norman1 said

lifeonanisland said

Want some help getting off that high horse of yours?

You're the one that actually needs help if you can't see how misguided it is to use interest rates to tame inflation caused by the boycott of Russian oil, Russian gas, Russian wheat, and other Russian exports.

There's also nothing wrong with debt itself. It is a bridge between those who have a bit more money than their immediate needs and those who are a bit short. Debt has been a vital part of the financial system.

Debt has been around for a long time. Canadian credit unions were not formed because groups of people couldn't find a place to deposit their savings.

You obviously are not aware of around 2000 when the US federal government balanced its budget and could subsequently stop issuing long term bonds. That was going to be a problem because those risk free long term bonds are used to create the investment pools for products like life insurance and annuities. Pension funds also used the bonds for the risk free portion of their portfolios.

Norman, your opinions are as valid as everyone else's. But bring them without the attitude. Otherwise, don't reply to my posts (I'm the OP). You might be here because it's your hobby; part of your daily retirement routine. I'm here trying to glean as much knowledge as I can in the hope that it helps me with a few upcoming critical life decisions -- and thus the reason why I sought everyone's input. Again, if you don't like what I've written, or anyone else has written on this thread, reply with a respectful and polite counterpoint, or move on to the next thread.

May 25, 2022
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cgouimet said

Hopefully noone is looking to Russia for guidance on any topic ...  

I am not cheering for Russia, if that is what you think. I wish Russia same fate as Nazi Germany, because it is getting harder and harder to distinguish between two.

I look at what Russian Central Bank is doing to tame inflation as sort of case study. Together with BoC and Fed. They follow different approach, and we will see the results. There will be lessons to learn, hopefully.

Elvira Nabiullina wanted to resign recently, but Putin did not accept her resignation. Unfortunately.
I wish they had someone with Western mentality running Bank of Russia: feed Putin a story for months and months that inflation will be transitory under his glorious leadership, then facing runaway inflation promise to raise rates by up to 1%, some time next month, and call it a day.

May 25, 2022
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Alexandre, fundamental difference is Russians can't throw Putin out. Here a hint of austerity of any kind and folks rush to vote for other parties that promise no pain, in fact here's even more free stuff (yes, I believe CBs are subject to political interference). So democracies are hamstrung in a way they aren't in dictatorships, i.e. the "masses", as directed by media, run the show here.

May 25, 2022
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The Russian way of dealing with inflation / economy fluctuation is similar to how Chinese central bank's mentality. You can not run/dictate the economy the way those 2 countries can.

May 25, 2022
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agit said
Billionaire hedge fund manager Bill Ackman said raging inflation will only dissipate if the Federal Reserve acts more aggressively or the market sell-off turns into a full-on collapse.

“There is no prospect for a material reduction in inflation unless the Fed aggressively raises rates, or the stock market crashes, catalyzing an economic collapse and demand destruction,” Ackman said in a slew of tweets Tuesday.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/24/bill-ackman-says-a-more-aggressive-fed-or-market-collapse-are-the-only-ways-to-stop-this-inflation.html  

Well what Ackman said is as obvious as saying "Sun will rise from the East tmrw mrng"...
As I already said and made up my mind, it will be period of stagflation follow by recession. Then inflation will fall back to new normal, which still wont be 2% a year.
The question really is how to one position one's portfolio to minimize the damage...

May 25, 2022
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savemoresaveoften said

Well what Ackman said is as obvious as saying "Sun will rise from the East tmrw mrng"...
As I already said and made up my mind, it will be period of stagflation follow by recession. Then inflation will fall back to new normal, which still wont be 2% a year.
The question really is how to one position one's portfolio to minimize the damage...  

...or to take advantage of the opportunity.

May 25, 2022
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All these experts “ackman “ they position themselves first then start sharing all their widely respected opinions hoping to direct actions in a way they profit from… all these bankers care about numero uno and couldnt give two craps about anyone

May 25, 2022
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Well i think we just got the answer loud and clear from the Federal reserve minutes

Fed minutes point to more rate hikes that go further than the market anticipates

Federal Reserve officials earlier this month stressed the need to raise interest rates quickly and possibly more than markets anticipate to tackle a burgeoning inflation problem, minutes from their meeting released Wednesday showed.

They further noted that policy may have to move past a “neutral” stance in which it is neither supportive nor restrictive of growth, an important consideration for central bankers that could echo through the economy.

"Neutral Rate" roughly 2.5% that neither boosts nor restrains the economy

exactly as my post # 7 in this thread

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/25/fed-minutes-may-2022.html

May 26, 2022
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savemoresaveoften said
The Russian way of dealing with inflation / economy fluctuation is similar to how Chinese central bank's mentality. You can not run/dictate the economy the way those 2 countries can.  

I thought BoC as well as Fed is independent entity. OK, that was a sarcasm.

I learned a lot on this forum and wish Putin would have listened to people saying the following:

Printing money does not trigger inflation

It would be misguided to use interest rates to tame inflation

Not having government debt is bad for the country and economy

Budget will balance itself

May 26, 2022
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Dean said
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Lotsa Crystal Balling, going on here in this thread ... LOL

Crystal Balling while high on Poilievre Kool Aid ... LOL ...

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May 29, 2022
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I'll remember this thread or topic and like I've said before for me its like a chess board. I've never been wrong yet in my entire life. I can pick the peak within about two weeks of the absolute top in interest rates. Right now I see them as lying in America about a possible recession so Powell doesn't have to raise rates as high. I'm 63 and a half years old and I've gotten every peak within two weeks since I was 16 years old.

I'll tell everyone right here when the peak is in this time around.
The wildcard is will China invade Taiwan? If they invade they should invade this fall. That would be the most likely timeframe.

I've got a background in every form of gambling on Earth and have read about 5,000 books on economics even though none of them apply to today. They're redundant due to everything being rigged and manipulated today. A three ring circus sideshow but unlike everyone else I can quote read between the lines.

May 29, 2022
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Rents are 32 percent of the CPI in America and are now just starting to work their way into the CPI index. They'll be fully factored in around March 2024. This is assuming they don't redefine it.

May 29, 2022
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TommyT said
Rents are 32 percent of the CPI in America and are now just starting to work their way into the CPI index. They'll be fully factored in around March 2024. This is assuming they don't redefine it.  

I have seen a number of references suggesting that US CPI/Inflation stats are constantly/routinely manipulated so as to manage the factors that drive US social benefits indexation.

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May 29, 2022
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When I tell everyone when interest rates peak I'm quoting American interest rates.

May 29, 2022
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TommyT said
When I tell everyone when interest rates peak I'm quoting American interest rates.  

Tommy, I like your optimism and am not doubting that you have some insight here. I know you've said you can pinpoint within two weeks, but I'm hoping you might speculate as to when you see things peaking based on what you know now. I will not hold you to your predictions, but would be curious to see if your thoughts mirror my own, and why you think so. Thank you!

May 30, 2022
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Anyone that can pinpoint peak and trough and accurate within 2 weeks for the past 50 years will be a multi billionaire, if not a trillionaire.

I want to know where I can buy that crystal ball or that time machine, maybe ebay or aliexpress....

Guess it can also be a case of the fortune teller who can tell "other people's" fortune to 100% accuracy and help them prosper, just cant help one self somehow...Blame it on fate...

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