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[EXPIRED] Pace Credit Union - 3.10% on a 2 year term deposit
April 17, 2018
3:23 pm
Koogie
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Saw this one advertised on the tv today.
They are an Ontario CU, so DICO rules.

Now Offering 3.10% 2-Year Term Deposits
https://www.bankwithpace.ca/term-deposits-2-year/

~ new money only, 5000$ minimum, yada yada.

Caveat emptor.

April 17, 2018
4:40 pm
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Must be resident of Ontario.
This CU has been around quite a while; may have changed name.

April 18, 2018
4:34 am
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From their website About Us

PACE Credit Union can trace its roots back to the Farmunited Credit Union which began in 1940. PACE began as a credit union for employees of the Peel Region and the name PACE is an acronym for Peel Region and Co-op Employees. Over the years, PACE has grown through the amalgamation of a number of smaller credit unions, enabling more to be done for members as one large credit union.

Branches from Oshawa to London

June 2, 2018
5:27 am
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2-year term (min $25K) with Pace CU is 3.25% @ gicwealth.ca

June 3, 2020
11:47 am
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Yes PACE
Where I thought I was buying a GIC and ended up losing 100 grand.
Buyeer beware as I can see the walls come tumbling down over the PACE empire

June 3, 2020
3:01 pm
Doug
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Koogie said
Saw this one advertised on the tv today.
They are an Ontario CU, so DICO rules.

Now Offering 3.10% 2-Year Term Deposits
https://www.bankwithpace.ca/term-deposits-2-year/

~ new money only, 5000$ minimum, yada yada.

Caveat emptor.  

[Emphasis added]

"Caveat emptor," indeed, Koogie, in way more ways than just the usual "net new money only" and minimum dollar values. sf-cool

As Elaine and Yaftica have eloquently explained in the "Pace Securities" discussion thread, we have confirmed reports of Pace Savings & Credit Union, Limited, subsidiary Pace Securities Corporation financial advisor employees misselling Pace Financial, Limited, preference shares to customers of the credit union who, in most cases, came in to the credit union to buy a GIC or, at most, have a discussion on other investment products like Pace Savings & Credit Union preference shares, self-directed investment accounts, and/or mutual funds, not buy the preference shares of a second-level Pace Savings & Credit Union, Limited, wholly-owned subsidiary whose sole purpose was to engage in leveraged junk bond investing. Equally problematic was (a) this misselling was done without either (i) suitability assessments having been done or (ii) suitability assessments having been done without the adequate disclosure and due diligence to the client and (b) Pace Savings & Credit Union employees broke internal IIROC/MFDA and/or provincial securities rules, regulations, and/or legislation, as applicable, by providing information that only Approved Persons (i.e., dealing representatives) of self-regulatory organizations like MFDA and IIROC can provide. Specifically included in this was the confirmed report by Elaine of a Pace Savings & Credit Union, Limited, front-line receptionist or teller mentioning potential returns. This is strictly prohibited by the rules, regulations, and legislation, as applicable.

As well, it's also worth noting this was done in contravention of securities laws governing transactions in related parties. That is, Pace Securities Corp. was essentially acting as both dealing advisor and banker/broker for the issuer, Pace Financial, Limited, of the preference shares.

And, let's be real, folks: Pace Savings & Credit Union, Limited, created this single-purpose Pace Financial, Limited, subsidiary to issue the preference shares knowing full well that Pace Savings & Credit Union, Limited, members were attracted to the credit union's preference shares. However, to issue the preference shares of the credit union, they would have to push that through the credit union's principal regulator(s), at the time, then named FSCO and DICO (now combined as FSRAO). Moreover, there may be restrictions on what they could do with that capital.

Say what you will, but let's face facts...Pace Savings & Credit Union, Limited is confirmed to not be blameless here. Class action lawsuits, of which the lead plaintiffs are supposedly indemnified in terms of legal costs in the event of their loss through Ontario's Class Proceedings Fund, are inevitable here. I strongly suspect, at minimum, Pace Savings & Credit Union, Limited, will seek to settle those suits out of court, for which it will have to incur a charge to their earnings, which will reduce their members' equity. This, in turn, may require the credit union to raise additional capital.

Let's also not forget, too, that Pace Savings, despite having returned to notional member-controlled governance with a new Board of Directors, is still under regulatory administration by FSRAO on an indefinite basis (of at least another year, perhaps longer). This means that that the credit union has the highest risk ratings imposed on it by the regulator.

It may also be worth noting that Pace Savings' deposits declined by 10-20% year-over-year from 2019 to 2018.

This is a hard avoid as, ultimately, I think sees Pace Savings & Credit Union members' equity, deposits, and loans combined with another provincial or federal credit union. In fact, this could be Coast Capital Savings' entry point into Ontario brick & mortar banking.

Cheers,
Doug

June 3, 2020
4:20 pm
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Why exactly are we talking about an over 2 year old advertisement of a currently non-existent rate?

June 3, 2020
5:13 pm
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gicjunkie said
Why exactly are we talking about an over 2 year old advertisement of a currently non-existent rate?  

What a downer. Mine is maturing next week at that rate , I was getting excited reading I could renew at that great rate. Yea it was indeed 2 years ago.

June 3, 2020
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Oscar said

What a downer. Mine is maturing next week at that rate , I was getting excited reading I could renew at that great rate. Yea it was indeed 2 years ago.  

I bought a 2 year in Oct 2018 @ 2.88%. When it matures I will put ALL available in 5 year GIC. About 20% matures each year. 5 year smooths out interest rate fluctuations.

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