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March 25, 2020
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gicjunkie
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March 26, 2020
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Sorry, just realized it's difficult to access this article so I cut and pasted it.

Humble GICs go from schlub to stud in just four weeks as stocks tumble
ROB CARRICKPERSONAL FINANCE COLUMNIST
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Guaranteed investment certificates are the investing world’s version of the Keep Calm and Carry On sign.

GICs have been their inert self during the coronavirus crisis, which is to say they have done nothing but pay interest. GICs at best today yield in the 2-per-cent range for terms of one through five years. Four weeks ago, while stock markets were peaking, those returns looked pathetic.

Today, not so much. The S&P/TSX Composite Index is off its late-February peak by about 30 per cent, and more declines are a real possibility. How can stocks not go lower when we don’t know how badly the economy will be affected by social-distancing measures meant to control the virus?

GIC rates should be in the toilet right now because that’s what rates broadly do in times of economic stress. But GIC rates follow a similar path to mortgage rates, which have risen lately as lenders price rising default risk into borrowing costs.

We have crashing stock markets and resilient interest rates. Do we also have rising enthusiasm for GICs?

“I have not seen a big rush into GICs, like in 2008,” said Mary Rygiel, owner of Conservative Investors’ Services. “I think people are mostly concerned about the coronavirus and their health.”

Brandon Brot, a principal at GIC Wealth Management, said there hasn’t been an increase in GIC purchases at his shop, either. But another trend has emerged that does suggest conservative types have had their fill of the stock markets for now.

Those who are investing in GICs are committing larger amounts, Mr. Brot said. Just recently, he handled investments of $300,000 for one client and $600,000 for another.

“Where people have used GICs as part of their strategy, it now seems like GICs are going to be all their strategy for the next few years,” Mr. Brot said. “People see what’s going on [in the stock market], and they don’t want to deal with it any more.”

GICs also have a role for investors who remain committed to stocks. While they’ve done okay compared with stocks, bonds and bond funds have disappointed investors lately by falling in price. Subbing GICs for bonds and bond funds is a way to add predictability to a portfolio.

Both Ms. Rygiel and Mr. Brot said clients have mainly been choosing two- and three-year terms. Five-year GICs are of less interest because there’s minimal reward in locking in money for that long. It’s not unusual to see five-year rates that are just 0.1 of a percentage point higher than the three-year term.

GICs have a flaw that has to be addressed in the context of the economic uncertainty ahead and the potential for people to need cash suddenly. While stocks and bonds can be sold on any business day, GICs are locked in. The exception is cashable GICs, where you accept a lower interest rate to get liquidity.

One reader contacted me lately about breaking a GIC as a result of changing financial circumstances. Mr. Brot said he hasn’t had a client ask to get out of a GIC, but his firm has handled these requests in the past. He said GIC issuers have their formulas for setting breakage penalties and that some firms are more easygoing with these requests than others.

Stay away from GICs if you want easy access to money, and instead use a high-interest savings account. Quite a few alternative banks and credit unions are offering rates in the area of 2 per cent for accounts with no fees or conditions. Some of these banks let you pay bills from your high-interest account, which makes them especially useful for people who think they will need to use money they’re holding in reserve.

If GICs make sense, consider laddering equal amounts in terms of one through three years. One more consideration is whether to buy your own GICs or use a deposit broker.

The very best rates are typically available from issuers that deal directly with investors. Brokers provide a range of services like ensuring you stay within the limits for deposit-insurance plans. Example: Mr. Brot said he recently made three investments of $97,500 in GICs from issuers who are part of Canada Deposit Insurance Corp.

CDIC insures combined principal and interest to a maximum $100,000 per eligible account. Do you need to worry about whether CDIC protection is solid in today’s uncertain world? No. We’re a long way from that.

March 26, 2020
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much appreciated , thanks.

March 27, 2020
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I know Carrick gets a lot of flack, but I've always appreciated his endorsement of GICs for certain types of people in certain situations. He doesn't just instantly dismiss them -- which is what many of the people who comment on his articles do. The anti-GIC sentiment in some people is pathological. It says more about them than it does about GICs.

I think a lot of people (not the folks here on this board) are addicted to dividends, and don't pay attention -- or rather, don't want to pay attention -- to the actual value of their investment. They just focus on the annual payout, and assume that their holdings will be fine in the long term. Sometimes they're right...but sometimes they aren't.

In my view, GICs aren't for people who want a great ROI -- they're for people who want rock solid (if not government guaranteed in some cases) principle protection. Because even with inflation, this matters. I work hard. Really hard. And I don't like the idea that someone can put a major dent in my wealth with a Tweet.

March 27, 2020
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happyavocado, you've hit the nail on the head, i.e. investing/savings has to match your personality, your risk tolerance. That's much more important than the return because if you've suited yourself then you can't lose.

I know a fairly wealthy lady who has had every dollar invested in the Big 5 banks, for several decades now, she wouldn't consider anything else. Not what the portfolio construction experts advise by any means, but it suits her fine.

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