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BMOIL: 2 year = 5.08% (Fairstone Bank)
November 5, 2022
4:55 pm
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That AccountLink BMO chequing account has been there all along. It is the "Bank Account" part of the BMO InvestorLine account that has been holding the cash balances. The other part is the "Investment Account" that holds the stocks, bonds, and other securities.

This is from the client agreements:

Part B Client Agreement for Trading, Margin and Self-Directed RSP Accounts

A. INTRODUCTION
The Account has two components, namely an investment account or accounts with BMO InvestorLine (individually and collectively the “Investment Account”) and a Canadian dollar, and if requested, a U.S. dollar bank account(s) with the Bank (individually and collectively, the “Bank Account”).

B. THE ACCOUNT

2. Operation of the Account

… Subject to the provisions of Part C, BMO InvestorLine will promptly credit to the Bank Account any dividends, interest and capital distributions on or in respect of Securities held in the BMO InvestorLine Account, which are paid by cheque, cash, electronic transfer or other immediately available funds, and any monies (net of all commissions and the fees, charges and taxes) received as proceeds from Transactions in Securities held in the BMO InvestorLine Account. These credits will be viewable to the Client online the day after receipt by BMO InvestorLine, or as soon as practicable depending on the nature of the Transactions.

The transit-account number shown in your BMO InvestorLine monthly statements is likely missing just the trailing '2' in the transit number. These are the Bank of Montreal (Institution 001) transits from Payments Canada branch directory with "InvestorLine" in their name:

Electronic Paper (MICR) Postal Address
000106242 06242-001 INVESTORLINE TORONTO 2, 100 KING ST WEST, FCP B1, Toronto, ON M5X 1A1
000136742 36742-001 Investorline - Montreal, 100 King St. West, 20th Floor F.C.P., Toronto, ON M5X 1A1
000136752 36752-001 Investorline - Atlantic, 100 King St. West, 20th Floor F.G.P., Toronto, ON M5X 1A1
000136772 36772-001 Investorline - Toronto, 100 King St. West, 20th Floor F.C.P., Toronto, ON M5X 1A1
000139732 39732-001 Investorline Action Centre, 100 King St. West, 20th Floor F.C.P., Toronto, ON M5X 1A1
November 17, 2022
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It seems I have made some progress with getting a linked external account to my BMOIL AccountLink account. The progress did not come from the BMO side but from persistence from Hubert and information provided by Norman1 re the missing digit in the Transit No.

I called BMOIL customer support but did not get any assistance to resolve the situation. The CSR said it didn't make any difference about the shorter or longer Transit Number - they both will work. That seems strange to me. I did learn that I had a US$ account which I was unaware of. I decided to visit a local BMO branch to see if I could get some information there. I presented my BMOIL card to the teller to see if it was recognized in their system. It was not. After some discussion, the teller sought help from a Nesbitt Burns advisor who was on site. We discussed my situation at length. He advised he was doing a lot of GICs for his 'book' on behalf of clients. The teller provided me with a different phone number for Investorline assistance. No resolution from the bank visit but I called the number provided. The agent made it clear to me I could not link external FIs to the account but they would sell me a book of 150 cheques to transfer money out and that bill-payer is used to transfer money in. I sought to have an AccountLink card sent to me and I am awaiting the arrival of that card. I did not order the cheques.

I next went on line with Hubert and attempted to set up a link to my IL account using the full transit number. After several days, the link was still listed as pending. I called Hubert and the CSR undertook to re-create the link and advised me to wait a few days to see what happens. Today I see on my IL account a Nov 16 transfer of a few cents from Hubert. The amount has been added to the acount balance so the link must be established.

xfr-HUB-to-BMOIL-cash-acct-2221116.gif

There is a strange notation in the 'Activity Description' column - "Not Service Chargeable" which I don't know what it means but the link seems to be established. The next test will be for me to transfer a sizable amount for investment purposes. Not ready for that yet but will keep you advised.

One thing the original call to BMOIL revealed was that in the top left corner of the original Investorline page there is a link to 'BMO One View'. He indicated that any bank accounts associated to my Investorline account would be listed there under the BANKS heading. My account lists nothing there. Would be interested to know if that heading is populated by others with Investorline accounts.

Sorry to drag this conversation on but I do appreciate the information received here. It has provided me with the incentive to resolve this matter and it looks like it is working. Thanks again.

November 17, 2022
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"Not Service Chargeable" simply means it does not count towards the 2 free debits you can make from your AccountLink accounts. Deposits do not count as 'service chargeable' nor do internal BMO transfers. It is only when you pull funds via Hubert (or Bill Pay) from the BMO AccountLink accounts do they count as 'service chargeable. You get 2 free debits per month from the AccountLink account.

The agent is wrong. You do not need cheques to transfer funds out (or in). Pull (or push) from Hubert. I pull/push from my BMO AccountLink account using LBC Digital or EQ Bank when I need to do so (or sometimes I use Bill Pay). You cannot push/pull via Hubert directly into your BMO IL accounts. It has to be the AccountLink accounts. I have never used a cheque.

I am not sure what a BMO IL card is. The card I received when setting up my BMOIL account and my AccountLink accounts is a standard BMO Debit/ATM card that I also use in BMO bank branches. AFAIK, the BMO AccountLink CAD and USD accounts all have a 36762 transit number which is 100 King St. Toronto regardless of where in the country one is located. That may no longer be true as I set those up many years ago.

When clicking on One View, you should see all of your BMO related accounts IF you have One View set up between BMO Banking and BMO Investorline, including credit cards. I don't remember how to set that up so may need to call BMO IL to be guided through that... to see your two AccountLink bank accounts with transit 36762

November 17, 2022
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One View won't work unless one has a bank card to anchor the accounts to. The bank card can be a usual Bank of Montreal bank card or an AccountLink service card.

Wait until the requested AccountLink card arrives and the card is activated.

November 18, 2022
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Thanks AltaRed and Norman1 once again. I am learning more each time we post.

AltaRed, I am pleased to know that a link with EQBank is working for you. I hope to be able to establish that as well - particularly with the $US account.

I agree with Norman1 the key is now to wait for the AccountLink card to arrive.

Thanks for explaining the terminology on my Hubert deposit. That makes sense.
You have correctly identified the 36772 Transit No. and the 100 King Street W. Toronto address which is shown on my statements. As far as the BMOIL card goes it is simply a BMO blue card with a number - no name - no Debit/ATM affiliation. On the left border it reads BMO INVESTORLINE. It came with the package I originally arranged back in 2004 when I was arranging my financial affairs prior to my February 2005 retirement. I had to go to a BMO office in nearby larger city and the advisor there set me up with multiple accounts. RRSP for both of us included. Those were cancelled by BMO some time ago since they were not used. I thought the $US account had gone that route too. The only thing I have used the card for was to identify my account to a teller at BMO when I made withdrawals of accumulated dividends. That seemed to work but it was always a special handing at their end. There were no fees involved for these.

I will keep watching for the AccountLink card. I am hopeful that it will provide information for both $CDN and $US accounts.

November 18, 2022
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I don't know if you mis-typed or not but my transit number is 36762. I also have no idea whether you can push-pull with USD accounts or not. You may have to ask.

November 19, 2022
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AltaRed said
I don't know if you mis-typed or not but my transit number is 36762. I also have no idea whether you can push-pull with USD accounts or not. You may have to ask.  

I didn't pick up that your transit number is different than mine which is 36772. That is the 4th one down in the chart provided by Norman1 in post 25. Reading the chart leads me to believe the different numbers may have different geographical significance. You're in Alberta/BC? I'm in Ontario. There is another similar number for Atlantic Canada.

Will wait and see how $US can be handled. It was originally pulled from RBC to EQBank as $US. If necessary, I hope I can push it back to RBC and walk it over to BMO after that. Or not.

November 19, 2022
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AltaRed said
BMOIL may automatically provide AccountLink chequing account with new account applications in recent years, but when I opened a BMO IL account over 10 years ago, I actually had to tick a box on the application form requesting it. Later on, I had to phone in to request it for a USD chequing account.

Regardless, it is an easy phone call to BMO IL to get it if one does not already have it.  

And there's no minimum balance requirement? Is it a chequing account dominciled to a BMO Nesbitt Burns Inc. branch transit, essentially, which gives you a chequing account via your brokerage account?

I should look into that potentially...

Cheers,
Doug

November 19, 2022
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rodeworthy said
It seems I have made some progress with getting a linked external account to my BMOIL AccountLink account. The progress did not come from the BMO side but from persistence from Hubert and information provided by Norman1 re the missing digit in the Transit No.

I called BMOIL customer support but did not get any assistance to resolve the situation. The CSR said it didn't make any difference about the shorter or longer Transit Number - they both will work. That seems strange to me. I did learn that I had a US$ account which I was unaware of. I decided to visit a local BMO branch to see if I could get some information there. I presented my BMOIL card to the teller to see if it was recognized in their system. It was not. After some discussion, the teller sought help from a Nesbitt Burns advisor who was on site. We discussed my situation at length. He advised he was doing a lot of GICs for his 'book' on behalf of clients. The teller provided me with a different phone number for Investorline assistance. No resolution from the bank visit but I called the number provided. The agent made it clear to me I could not link external FIs to the account but they would sell me a book of 150 cheques to transfer money out and that bill-payer is used to transfer money in. I sought to have an AccountLink card sent to me and I am awaiting the arrival of that card. I did not order the cheques.

I next went on line with Hubert and attempted to set up a link to my IL account using the full transit number. After several days, the link was still listed as pending. I called Hubert and the CSR undertook to re-create the link and advised me to wait a few days to see what happens. Today I see on my IL account a Nov 16 transfer of a few cents from Hubert. The amount has been added to the acount balance so the link must be established.

xfr-HUB-to-BMOIL-cash-acct-2221116.gif

There is a strange notation in the 'Activity Description' column - "Not Service Chargeable" which I don't know what it means but the link seems to be established. The next test will be for me to transfer a sizable amount for investment purposes. Not ready for that yet but will keep you advised.

One thing the original call to BMOIL revealed was that in the top left corner of the original Investorline page there is a link to 'BMO One View'. He indicated that any bank accounts associated to my Investorline account would be listed there under the BANKS heading. My account lists nothing there. Would be interested to know if that heading is populated by others with Investorline accounts.

Sorry to drag this conversation on but I do appreciate the information received here. It has provided me with the incentive to resolve this matter and it looks like it is working. Thanks again.  

Wow! I like the "not service chargeable" column in those BMOIL statements. That is rare to have that displayed to end customers. In my experience, if you want to be certain something is not counted as service chargeable activity, you've had to phone in.

Cheers,
Doug

November 20, 2022
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AltaRed said
BMOIL may automatically provide AccountLink chequing account with new account applications in recent years, but when I opened a BMO IL account over 10 years ago, I actually had to tick a box on the application form requesting it. …

I think an AccountLink BMO chequing account was always included with the non-registered BMO InvestorLine accounts.

That tick box was likely to indicate that one didn't have a BMO bank card or BMO MasterCard. In such cases, an AccountLink bank card was issued and the chequing account was attached to it.

Otherwise, one would provide the number of the existing BMO card. The AccountLink BMO chequing account would then be added to that card.

November 20, 2022
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Doug said

And there's no minimum balance requirement? Is it a chequing account dominciled to a BMO Nesbitt Burns Inc. branch transit, essentially, which gives you a chequing account via your brokerage account?

There's no minimum balance requirement. The AccountLink chequing accounts are actually chequing accounts issued by BMO, not by BMO Nesbitt Burns.

The client agreement text I quoted details how the chequing account operates with the brokerage account.

Essentially, any cash in the BMO InvestorLine brokerage account is transferred daily to the AccountLink BMO chequing account. Charges in the brokerage account are automatically drawn against the chequing account and any transitory cash in the brokerage account.

November 20, 2022
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Norman1 said
I think an AccountLink BMO chequing account was always included with the non-registered BMO InvestorLine accounts.

That tick box was likely to indicate that one didn't have a BMO bank card or BMO MasterCard. In such cases, an AccountLink bank card was issued and the chequing account was attached to it.

Otherwise, one would provide the number of the existing BMO card. The AccountLink BMO chequing account would then be added to that card.  

Come to think of it, you are likely right. I now have vague recollections of that.

November 23, 2022
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bigzim said
Yes sir,

Bought some yesterday through RBC direct investing.  

The U.S. election is in two years' time so they'll likely start to drop the Fed funds rate around March 2024. I would never take out a 2 year GIC.

November 23, 2022
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Tommy T. Another Chrystal ball gazer. Part of my ladder my friend. Enough said

November 23, 2022
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rodeworthy said

There is a strange notation in the 'Activity Description' column - "Not Service Chargeable" which I don't know what it means but the link seems to be established. The next test will be for me to transfer a sizable amount for investment purposes. Not ready for that yet but will keep you advised.

The first microdeposits to my AccountLink account worked. I didn't have to try a second time.

I would try pushing a higher amount, like $100, from Hubert to the AccountLink chequing account to confirm the link.

There have been reports when the account number is off, the microdeposit direct deposits work but the larger direct deposits are bounced. I think those reports were from people trying to create a link to an HSBC savings account using an account number that turned out to have extra digits.

I suspect banks may be willing to take on the potential liability of crediting the wrong person's account for a $0.40 direct deposit. But, not for a $40,000 direct deposit.

November 24, 2022
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Norman1 said

The first microdeposits to my AccountLink account worked. I didn't have to try a second time.

I would try pushing a higher amount, like $100, from Hubert to the AccountLink chequing account to confirm the link.

There have been reports when the account number is off, the microdeposit direct deposits work but the larger direct deposits are bounced. I think those reports were from people trying to create a link to an HSBC savings account using an account number that turned out to have extra digits.

I suspect banks may be willing to take on the potential liability of crediting the wrong person's account for a $0.40 direct deposit. But, not for a $40,000 direct deposit.  

Noman1, I read your post (quoted above) yesterday and decided to take your advice to initiate a transfer of my own to see where things stand.

I logged into my Hubert account and arranged a $100 transfer to my AccountLink account at IL. That was done on Nov. 23 and this morning, Nov. 24, that money has shown up at IL - dated Nov. 23.

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Interesting to note that transfer is also 'Not Service Chargable'.

So the excellent service we have come to expect from Hubert continues to work well. And BMOIL has accepted the transfer despite the verbal advice I was given by their CSR. I am still patiently waiting for the requested AccountLink ATM/Debit card to arrive in the mail.

My next test in this saga is to see if I can link my EQBank $US account to my IL AccountLink $US account. That will be interesting. I should also now be able to change the 'bill payer' status at Achieva to a direct link but I will leave that alone for now.

Things are coming together quite nicely now. I would not have known how to do this without the information and advice I received from you and AltaRed which I really appreciate. Thanks for your patience to walk me through this.

November 24, 2022
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Deposits to AccountLink are 'not service chargeable'. It is only withdrawals to third party (non-BMO) institutions that are 'service chargeable' and once you go past 2 such withdrawals per month, there are service charges. IOW, it is a very limited 'chequing account' in terms of number of withdrawal transactions per month.

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has anyone tried to do a withdrawal from the accountlink to a third party (non-BMO) institutions ? if it's included in the 2 free transactions per month? - it's not clear to me how this would be treated or would I be charged a fee. The fee schedule on talks about

"Each month you’ll receive two free withdrawals, cheques, transfers, pre-authorized debits, INTERAC®* debit purchases or INTERAC® e-Transfers"

what is confusing is the next part

"from a BMO the at any BMO Bank of Montreal branch, BMO automated banking machine, BMO Digital Banking2 or point-of-sale."

January 4, 2023
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Yes, the automated pre-authorized debit, from pulling funds out of the BMO AccountLink chequing account at another financial institution, would be included in the two free transactions per month.

January 24, 2023
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Some time has passed since I posted in this thread but, to respect those who helped me move into the world of ISA investments, I would like to update my progress. In particular, Norman1 and AltaRed have guided me through the process. There have been successes and stresses. Here is the latest chapter:

Since I last posted here, I received my AccountLink card through the mail. I took that card and a $US 5-dollar bill to the local branch of BMO. I live in a small city and there is just the one BMO branch here. I was third in line with two tellers open and serving clients. After 20 minutes the same two clients were still being served. Another 5-minutes passed and the elderly lady to our right was finally finished her business and two-gentlemen at the front of the line went to that teller. The lady to our left was still being served. Another 20 minutes passed and the two guys at the teller had some issues that required the assistance of what I presume were ‘techies’. At the 45-minute mark, the manager came out of his office and opened a third teller window and the client in front of me went to that wicket. No change at the other stations – same clients. Another 10 minutes passed and it was my turn to deal with the manager. I advised I wanted to initialize my new AccountLink card and make a small $US deposit to verify the existence of my IL $US account. That went smoothly. At the one-hour mark, I was on my way out. The line had grown and was out the door. Same clients at the original tellers.

My next venture was to gather up all the $US we had at our residence and concluded we had $700 there that wasn’t doing anything and should be deposited. I took that money to the BMO branch. No lineup. I approached the teller and asked to have the $US700 deposited in my Investorline account. The teller busied herself behind her plastic shield with no communication to me. It seemed to be taking an inordinate amount of time to complete the deposit but eventually I was presented with a receipt. To my chagrin I saw that the money had been converted to $CDN and deposited to our $C account. I had not even considered that possibility when I presented the cash. Whatever happened to deposit slips anyway? I requested the transaction be corrected and the funds placed in our $US account. The teller busied herself but after some time she too had to call on the two ‘techies’ to make the correction. Now the clock was ticking and it was my turn to feel the scorn of the lineup of customers out the door. It took nearly an hour to make the adjustment. I learned I had been charged $7 for the error correction. I sheepishly hurried out of the bank.

I contacted IL and the CSR arranged to ‘correct’ the $7 charge. At the same time, I ordered an AccountLink card for my spouse who is a Joint holder of our funds there. The card was mailed and we received it a week or so later.

I was now prepared to populate these accounts but we were now in a new year. On Jan 4, I initiated a transfer from Hubert to the BMO IL account. The amount I chose exceeded Hubert’s daily limit so I broke that up into two separate deposits on different days. That went smoothly.

I contacted EQ Bank to enquire about linking my accounts to InvestorLine but the agent outright refused to do that. That was confusing to me since Norman1 has indicated he has that arrangement. I didn’t pursue it further but I decided I had enough of EQ Bank and transferred all of our funds from there. The $US were sent to our RBC $US account. Those transfers went smoothly and the funds were available overnight. On Jan 5, we visited RBC and obtained a draft for the bulk of the $US and walked the draft down to the BMO branch. My spouse accompanied me and we got the new AccountLink card activated and used it to deposit the $US – INTO THE $US ACCOUNT.

The next step was to log onto IL and initiate the purchase of a 1-year and 2-year GIC splitting the entire balance of the $US funds. For this we got a rate of 4.85% and 4.95% - a rate I never dreamed of getting.

And we now have an ISA earning 4.1%. Sweet.

The last of our ‘old’ GICs (1.6% sf-cry) will mature this month and much of that will go to this new ISA account until it is time to buy more GICs. We are 5 months into our ‘Horizontal Ladder’ project. Which is:

Buy equal value 1-year and 2-year GICs each month for 12 months.

I am a happy camper. And I have a new respect for the ease of online banking.

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