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April 16, 2019
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A CU said name your rate they will compete with others. Any FIs big or tiny offering 3.75+ to ask for a match

Would your opening ask be 3.75 3.85 3.95 or 4?

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April 16, 2019
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If you were to ask for 4%... wouldn't they in turn ask... who is offering you that rate? Where then you would have to supply proof of what you were being offered elsewhere. Then they, at that point in time would verify your claim before matching the rate.

I'm not drunk but reading that back... makes me feel like i am.

If this is all hypothetical... i'd ask for 100%. Go big or go home.

May 14, 2019
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When Tangerine was offering an extra quarter point on the phone did anyone ask or get it on their 5yr gic?

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May 14, 2019
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You'ave essentially asked the same question before, and we've given you our answers.

June 1, 2019
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hotmony said
When Tangerine was offering an extra quarter point on the phone did anyone ask or get it on their 5yr gic?  

Loonie said
You'ave essentially asked the same question before, and we've given you our answers.  

Where?

I'll admit i miscalculated the 5yr should have been longer to ride out the lull. Will keep a closer eye on bond yields

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June 12, 2019
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Who has the top 5yr currently?

is it harder to negotiate a 5yr deal than 1 2 or 3..

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June 12, 2019
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hotmony said
Who has the top 5yr currently?

is it harder to negotiate a 5yr deal than 1 2 or 3..  

I would use the CANNEX chart, hotmony. It's pretty comprehensive since they started adding direct-to-consumer, not just deposit broker, rates.

Looks like Manitoba's Me-Dian Credit Union might be tops for the 5 year GIC rate, at 3.30%, as at June 12, 2019. Interestingly, Me-Dian Credit Union is one of those six Manitoba bricks & mortar credit unions I profiled recently that removed residency requirements and added all-digital membership opening. As @Shawguy mentioned in that thread, though, watch out for their chequing account at $45/month (reduced to $40/month if you enroll in e-Statements). 😉

Luminus Financial Credit Union seems to be the next highest, at 3.25%, according to CANNEX.

Hubert Financial and a number of other Ontario and Manitoba credit unions are in third place, at 3.10%.

You might also try browsing the "GIC Discussions" forum of this message board. The forum members are pretty good with spotting the highest rate.

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Doug

June 12, 2019
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Highest then Luminus 5yr esc.

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June 13, 2019
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hotmony said
Highest then Luminus 5yr esc.  

Ah, a bit hard to clarify what you mean, but if I've interpreted correctly, you're saying Me-Dian's 5-year GIC is the highest, but Luminus 5-year escalator GIC is technically a bit higher than its 5-year regular GIC? If so, no problem. I was just going by the CANNEX rates, which I think don't list escalator GIC rates. However, that's a good point - usually what I do is use CANNEX (and this site) as "guideposts" for narrowing down which FIs to check out and then I'll first (a) confirm that the quoted rates are still current and (b) see if they have either (i) any special/promo GIC rates that interest me or (ii) any escalator GICs that didn't show up on CANNEX. sf-cool

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August 15, 2019
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Can u pinpoint when was the peak 5yr buy signal

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August 16, 2019
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dealjunkie said
Can u pinpoint when was the peak 5yr buy signal  

@dealjunkie I think you're mixing technology here. GICs don't have "buy signals" like equities do..."buy signals" refer to certain indicators in technical analysis that pinpoint when a stock has been oversold, for example, and may be a good buy.

The point is, there's no such "signals" on when to buy a GIC. Thus, I'm not quite sure what you're asking. @Loonie, can you make heads or tails of @dealjunkie's question?

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Doug

August 16, 2019
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August 16, 2019
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No, Doug. I don't know what he's asking, so didn't bother responding. If the question is clear, and I have a response, I will offer it.

August 16, 2019
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Does the 5yr or 10yr bond always predict gic rates?

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August 17, 2019
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dealjunkie said
Does the 5yr or 10yr bond always predict gic rates?  

Not necessarily. It depends on the market. As Norman1 has pointed out, in some markets, like Denmark, the banks operate like a lending syndicate akin to mortgage brokers in that they immediately sell, for a fee, the mortgage they originate, and they make nominal servicing fees to administer the mortgage. (These fees are not significant - just ask Street Capital Bank of Canada, which does much the same thing in that most of its mortgages it offloads - so it becomes a scale play.)

In markets like Canada where banks still hold mortgages on their balance sheets, for the most part, they fund those mortgages using GICs, bonds, and on- and off-balance sheet special purpose securitization vehicles. So, on the one hand, yes, bond yields influence GIC rates, but it's usually in an indirect or tangential way. Bond yields themselves tend to influence mortgage rates, so we could see mortgage rate drops, but we're not in the banks' main mortgage selling season (that is typically the spring and lead up to the spring, the banks may decide to take this as an opportunity to increase their effective net interest margin a bit).

Trying to predict when to buy a 5-year GIC based on interest rate directional probability is a bit of a Mugg's game. You're essentially asking us to be your crystal ball, but we don't have that ability to see the future with any degree of reliably consistent accuracy. 😉

I personally think GIC rates are headed down, but that's just my prediction based on historical patterns. There's no certainty history will repeat itself. Besides, if the banks do decrease their mortgage rates, with the bond yields down so much, there may be less impetus for them to maintain GIC rates, but at minimum, they certainly don't need to increase rates. For these reasons, I think you would do well to keep your GIC ladders short - I personally have no GICs longer than 3 years.

Cheers,
Doug

August 17, 2019
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Spouse just read that they have negative interest mortgage rates in Denmark. Just imagine the implications!

August 17, 2019
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Doug said
For these reasons, I think you would do well to keep your GIC ladders short - I personally have no GICs longer than 3 years.

Cheers,
Doug  

I personally stay the course. I have a GIC maturing first week of Sept in my RRSP. I will renew at the then 5 year rate at my discount brokerage OR I will look at certain selected 5 year term notes OR corporate bonds, investment grade of course. But I won't waver from continuing the 5 year ladder (10 holdings spaced approximately 6 months apart).

August 17, 2019
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AltaRed said

I personally stay the course. I have a GIC maturing first week of Sept in my RRSP. I will renew at the then 5 year rate at my discount brokerage OR I will look at certain selected 5 year term notes OR corporate bonds, investment grade of course. But I won't waver from continuing the 5 year ladder (10 holdings spaced approximately 6 months apart).  

Ah, okay, so the idea for you is just to have a bond or GIC renew every year, for which you renew for a further 5 year. If a bond, though, do you only look at bonds maturing within 5 years? And, if I might ask, what criteria do you use when deciding to go with a bond over a GIC? Will you only buy discount bonds, or will you accept premium bonds? Is your determination to go with a bond over a GIC based on if the bond is yielding x bps over the best 5-year GIC that you can get, and what is your minimum credit rating for the bond?

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Doug

October 18, 2019
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Workin on a 5yr deal with a twist close to 3.4% compound will post next week if all goes well

I feel there's uncertainty both ways some FIs may want to hedge against stronger growth

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October 25, 2019
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