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In-person banking soon to be a rarity, CIBC CEO says, as customers continue to migrate online
September 27, 2018
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From the National Post -

In-person banking soon to be a rarity, CIBC CEO says, as customers continue to migrate online

The chief executive of Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce predicted Wednesday that almost all transactions will soon be conducted remotely, rather than in person, as customers continue to take more of their business and daily lives online.

“We see continued migration of clients to do transactions remotely,” CIBC CEO Victor Dodig said Wednesday during his bank’s institutional investor conference in Montreal. “You’re seeing 87 per cent of transactions now being done remotely. And we think it’s going to get to 96 per cent over the next four to five years.”

https://business.financialpost.com/news/fp-street/in-person-banking-soon-to-be-a-rarity-cibc-ceo-says-as-customers-continue-to-migrate-online

September 27, 2018
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Pffft. It's obviously been a while since he's been in a branch. They're still busy.
Avoid the beginning or the end of the month or any Friday.

Lots of seniors, lots of small biz people, lots of new immigrants. The list goes on.

Now, if he could find a way to do away with paper cheques and their processing, he might actually be on to something.

September 27, 2018
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Koogie said
Pffft. It's obviously been a while since he's been in a branch. They're still busy.
  

Personally, I haven't got much first hand experience with "in-branch" crowds. Having gone 95% cashless, I may go to a branch 2 or 3 times a year to make a $500 cash withdrawal and that's usually before the branch opens ... everything else is online - automatic deposits, pre-authorized payments, Interac e-Transfers, digital cheque deposits using a smartphone, etc.

When you say busy, I think that's more a result of closing neighbourhood branches in favour of "mega" branches.

What I will say, as someone who travels to Europe quite often, is I think they need to do a lot more work on their algorithms when it comes to supposed fraudulent transactions - they can freeze your card in a heart beat, even though you have a history of making similar purchases in those same countries. It can at times be quite frustrating ... I'm talking to you CIBC!

September 27, 2018
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It's probably tied to cash, if we truly go cashless then greatly reduced need for branches. I'm guessing the CEO of CIBC has the data to know what he's talking about.

September 27, 2018
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I don't think it is always for cash. Branches can still be busy with 13% of transactions done in-branch if the banks cut the number of tellers by 87%+. sf-frown

I read that some branches no longer have dedicated tellers. Instead, if one wishes to get a draft, for example, one needs to call ahead and other staff, like the loan officers, would take turns doing such transactions.

January 21, 2022
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Cashless Bank Branches in Canada

It is true. I visited a CIBC branch since a long time & noticed it has become a tellerless/cashless branch. I later goggled the CIBC locations around me, it is tagged as "Cash at ATM only". Alarmingly, of the four in my vicinity, three now are "Cash at ATM only"

January 21, 2022
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In 20 years time, those who will become a senior by then will NOT do any branch transactions, cuz they are from the digital age. There will be a lot less seniors around that still want the "branch experience".
Small biz will continue to use a branch, unless we become a digital wallet economy which is very likely. When there is no cash, you dont need a branch.
Dont think it will be 4-5 years but its bound to happen, guarantee 100%.

January 21, 2022
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Laurentian Bank has gone further and ended teller service in most branches in July 2019. Teller service ended in the remaining branches by September 2019.

January 22, 2022
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Koogie said
Pffft. It's obviously been a while since he's been in a branch. They're still busy.
Avoid the beginning or the end of the month or any Friday.

Lots of seniors, lots of small biz people, lots of new immigrants. The list goes on.

Now, if he could find a way to do away with paper cheques and their processing, he might actually be on to something.  

They're "busy" because there are fewer banking centres and/or having fewer CSRs, and it's fewer and fewer clients conducting the same or higher number of day-to-day banking transactions.

You'll continue to see this shift accelerated, as we start to see net reductions in total number of branches by Big Five bank as a result of branch consolidates. For example, rather than see two or three branches nearby merged into one, you'll see three or more branches merged into one, and those number of mergers accelerated per year. You'll also see the major banks cede market share to the credit unions in small towns, northern areas, and rural areas, by closing the "last bank in town" or "second last bank in town." You may also see the major banks push Canada Post to offer contracted teller banking services at its postal outlet locations, so they can accelerate this push while still maintaining their senior clients in rural and northern areas, as is done in the UK.

Cheers,
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January 22, 2022
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My two sons in managerial positions at big 5 bank branches have seen continual reductions in CSRs (tellers) and branches over the past decade. They expect the trend to continue and hope they can last another ~10 years to early retirement before being downsized. One big hope they have is to cease cash transactions as discussed above, and seniors paying their damned utility bills at the branches. It is mind numbing non-profitable transactional activity.

January 22, 2022
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The Big Banks have been moving out of small towns etc , especially in the prairies, for many years. That's why CUs dominate in places like MB.

They have a long way to go though before their plans make any real sense.
If you want to close your account at, say, RBC, you have to make an appointment and go into branch to do it or pay a fee (in normal times). Typically, if you make that appointment, they are not ready to see you when you get there, rather like going to the doctor.
Opening account by phone (recent experience) takes a good hour in order for them to go through all their unnecessary questions and promo attempts. This is exacerbated when, as is often the case, the employee has an accent that is difficult for you to understand.
If you are functioning as a POA, RBC will not permit you to have online access or ATM or pay a bill. Only the RBC rep can do that.
They haven't got much to complain about with seniors paying bills. The seniors are actually trying to get something done!

January 22, 2022
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With the Internet, branches don't matter as much as they did decades ago.

Back then, how would one deposit one's paycheque or cash it? One had to take it to a bank branch. People opened an account at whichever bank or trust company had a branch nearby.

Most depositors who had a sizeable sum, like $80,000, would leave it in an account with that lucky branch. Not like there was an EQ Bank back then the high roller could initiate a "pull" from and get a better rate.

As well, Government of Canada short-term treasury bills were yielding around 7% back then. So, the branch could pay the depositor 5% and earn a 2% spread.

Only a few people knew enough to find a stockbroker and try to buy the treasury bills directly. But, then the treasury bills traded in blocks of $100,000 face value!

The world has changed.

Now, most employers direct deposit pay electronically to any bank account in Canada of the employee's choice.

Short-term treasury bills pay under ¼%. High rolling depositors know they can move any $80,000 they have out of that low yielding account at their local branch to one of the online-only banks. Don't need to invest in $100,000 blocks to get good rates on deposits.

That local branch? Maybe visit it once in a while to get cash at its ATM. Not very often though. One uses a credit card for most purchases and pays it off via online banking.

January 22, 2022
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The branches near me are always busy. I always have to wait, no matter if appointment or not. I have 2 Big Bank and one CU branch within ten minute walk, and this is not a particularly high density area. Within less than a half hour walk, I have at least 3 more bank branches and 2 more CU branches, all busy, all different brands except one bank is repeated.
I do sometimes wonder what all these people are doing there, but they're there.

January 22, 2022
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Norman sums it up well: ‘the world has changed’

I have not been to an ATM for probably last 2 years (nothing to do with Covid, just no need). 100% of my banking are done online or thru phone call. Almost 100% of my purchases are charged to credit cards (the only benefit Covid brings is to advance the cashless society in a much faster pace). I only use cash when some ethnic restaurants insist cash only…

January 22, 2022
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I think a lot of people at banks are getting or rearranging, etc existing loans, mortgages, lines of credit, debt. Debt-free savers don't really need to go there. I've been carrying the same $40 around for months, never need to use cash.

January 22, 2022
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Bill said
I think a lot of people at banks are getting or rearranging, etc existing loans, mortgages, lines of credit, debt. Debt-free savers don't really need to go there. I've been carrying the same $40 around for months, never need to use cash.  

That tends to be the case since CSRs handle far more processes than mere banking transactions these days. That said, I've never seen the amount of activity that Loonie describes at any of the banks I've been associated with here (suburban area), so it must be highly local/regional in nature. The nearest bank or CU branch of any type is at least 5km from our house.

January 23, 2022
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Same at my local branches in suburban area, rarely busy. Toronto's the most multicultural city on earth, probably a lot of international transactions, wire transfers, etc going on at branches too.

January 23, 2022
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There is also such thing as Canadian cash economy (underground economy).

Home contractors being paid under the table continues to represent the largest share of underground activity at 26.2%, followed by retail trade at 12.3%, and companies involved in finance, insurance, real estate, rental and leasing at 10.3%, StatsCan reported.

I think these people will continue coming to bank branches to pay their utility and other bills with cash.
Just like they will continue paying cash at grocery stores and elsewhere.

January 23, 2022
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Bill said
I think a lot of people at banks are getting or rearranging, etc existing loans, mortgages, lines of credit, debt. Debt-free savers don't really need to go there. I've been carrying the same $40 around for months, never need to use cash.  

My last withdrawal for walk around cash was from a green machine Jan 2019 for $100. I have almost $60 left. LOL

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January 23, 2022
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I think it's Sweden where the banks won't give or accept cash, so we'll see how cashless we go here. Criminals, underground, etc will have to go even more crypto, I guess. Which reminds me - I haven't heard much about Bitcoin on here lately, I hear it's on sale right now, down about 50% in the last few months.

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