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Desjardins, provincial credit union centrals form new mega wealth management holding company Aviso
December 13, 2017
12:20 am
Doug
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https://www.bnn.ca/desjardins-partnering-with-provincial-credit-unions-cumis-to-form-aviso-wealth-1.941750

Wow...it's late so haven't read all the details and particulars but big deal in the Canadian wealth management space I wasn't expecting. Desjardins already owns all of Disnat Discount Brokerage, a majority stake in Qtrade (including Qtrade Online Brokerage) and various other mutual fund dealer and portfolio management firms, including newish robo-advisor VirtualWealth that is part of Qtrade.

They're going to re-organize everything together and bring in Credential Financial, another discount brokerage which is also launching its robo-advisor.

Desjardins to hold majority stake with the various provincial credit unions to hold the remainder. CUMIS Group, which is part owned by The Cooperators, to hold a small stake as well.

No word on if Disnat is included.

Nonetheless, this is the biggest deal since National Bank Financial bought HSBC Canada's full service investment advisory business and its NBCN carrying broker bought TD Waterhouse carrying broker business. 🙂

Cheers,
Doug

December 13, 2017
10:35 am
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Can someone explain what the practical implications are for ordinary people? I find the CUs are generally doing a feeble job of living up to their ethos and too preoccupied with looking like bankers, so am sceptical that bigger will necessarily be better.

December 13, 2017
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It's just hype. Almost like Hubert's MasterCard. sf-laugh

"Mega" wealth management company with about $55 billion of assets under management, according to Globe & Mail article New wealth management firm sets sights on Canada's big banks.

That is eclipsed by just one of the big banks. RBC Wealth Management has $929 billion under management.

December 13, 2017
10:34 pm
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Maybe they are trying to set the foundations for handling increased market share?

December 14, 2017
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Loonie said
Maybe they are trying to set the foundations for handling increased market share?  

I think that's correct, Loonie. I'm not sure what the structure will look like other than Aviso will be the holding company owning the various businesses, majority-owned by Desjardins and a Limited Partnership (LP) owned by each of the named credit union centrals based on their economic interest in either Credential or Qtrade and CUMIS (which is jointly owned by The Cooperators and Central 1 Credit Union).

It might help to understand that there are two types of brokers in Canada: carrying brokers and introducing brokers. All of them can place trades and handle execution but only carrying brokers can custody client accounts and handle things like statement and trade reporting and all of the administrative tasks. For instance, HSBC InvestDirect, through HSBC Securities (Canada) Inc., is a level 1 introducing broker. It has its own web-based trading platform for clients but the underlying accounts are custodied by (called AUA, or assets under administration) by National Bank Correspondent Network (NBCN). NBCN prepares and mails statements and handles tax reporting to the CRA and/or IRS, as applicable. Obviously, there are greater capital and regulatory requirements to being a carrying broker. As such, outside of the "Big 5" bank-owned brokerages, some of which provide third-party carrying broker services to other introducing brokers (not TD and BMO, though, as they each sold those units off), there are NBCN (the biggest), Fidelity Information Services Canada (a unit of Fidelity Canada and the second biggest when it bought the assets of bankrupt Penson Financial Services Canada), Raymond James, Haywood Securities, BBS Securities (which also owns Virtual Brokers), Interactive Brokers and Questrade. There is also Pershing Canada (a unit of Bank of New York Mellon Corp.) that is trying to grow its book of business with independent brokers but it is tough.

Credential Financial has a carrying broker as does Qtrade Financial Group. It would make logical sense to merge the two (a big undertaking, though) to achieve both cost synergies and also lower costs to broker and, as a result, end customers to build market share. Interestingly, Desjardins also owns Disnat Direct, its own carrying broker and self-directed discount brokerage. Will it be merged into Aviso or will it operate independently?

Growing, though, would make them more attractive, potentially, to other independent brokers or, perhaps, even to other carrying brokers (i.e., Odlum Brown, I believe, custodies its own accounts but doesn't provide such services to third-party brokers).

Cheers,
Doug

December 14, 2017
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Norman1 said
It's just hype. Almost like Hubert's MasterCard. sf-laugh

"Mega" wealth management company with about $55 billion of assets under management, according to Globe & Mail article New wealth management firm sets sights on Canada's big banks.

That is eclipsed by just one of the big banks. RBC Wealth Management has $929 billion under management.  

Hubert's isn't half bad. It's not great when compared to American Express' SimplyCash credit card or either of MBNA's SmartCash or Rewards credit cards, mind you. A better analogy would be Tangerine's Money-Back MasterCard and their classic bait-and-switch promising 2% cash back in 2-3 spending categories, deposited to one's savings account, and 1% (no tiers) on all other purchases then they lower the 1% to 0.5% - a rewards rate I haven't seen since since the late '90s! 🙁

Also, the RBC clip is irrelevant. Does that include bank deposits? It does, however, include mutual funds and funds managed institutionally by its now wholly-owned RBC Investor Services Trust. No one is saying they will be "dethroned" but, with a larger, perhaps combined even, Credential/Qtrade, more third-party brokers could be enticed and have greater confidence in switching, especially if they are even more competitive than RBC on price. sf-cool

Cheers,
Doug

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