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May 30, 2009
11:25 am
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what would u put your money when high interest accounts melt to zero.

May 31, 2009
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I invest in a private mortgage investment corporation called ACIC. MICs make riskier mortgages than banks do; therefore they earn higher interest. ACIC uses no leverage, and their preferred shares pay 8% interest. That rate is not guaranteed, but it has stood since 2002. The shares are not publicly traded, so the price is fixed. This is a 2-year minimum investment; there is a 2% penalty if shares are redeemed in less than 2 years. As with all funds, if there's a mass exodus, redemptions can be suspended.

May 31, 2009
12:50 pm
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sounds interesting. I see that there is a minium of 25k down. is it cdic and is it only rrsp only. what about gic. and is it liquid or is there or is there 1 year 2 year 3 year etc. .5 year.

May 31, 2009
12:51 pm
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how long u been in this?

June 1, 2009
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You're incorrect about the requirements. Read the second half of ACIC's "How to Invest" page.

MICs are not deposit takers, so they cannot be members of CDIC. MICs sell shares, not term deposits, so deposit insurance doesn't apply. Redemption terms differ for each MIC.

MICs are for investors who are comfortable with non-guaranteed investments and who don't need short-term access to their capital. Because of your level of knowledge and your need for safety and liquidity, you should not stray from savings accounts and term deposits. MICs are neither guaranteed nor liquid.

June 1, 2009
9:07 am
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i see that if u are not from province of bc or alberta u have to give more of your money. is there any other companies like this out there that do this kind of business. maybe they require less money to put in mic. how long u been in mic
and what is your returns

June 1, 2009
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The high eligibility requirements are imposed by ON law. Under BC & AB law, one only needs to sign the risk acknowledgement form (45-106F4). MICs are not allowed to let ON residents to invest under any rules other than ON rules.

There is one public MIC: MCAN Mortgage (MKP-T). The shares are traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange, so anyone with a brokerage account can buy them. The current yield is 8.6. As with all publicly traded shares, the price can be a roller-coaster. On the 3-year chart, you can see the price has gone from 13 to 8, and back to 11.5.

I have invested in ACIC for a year. The quarterly dividend cheques are all 2%, unless there was money invested for less than a quarter. I chose ACIC because it has the clearest marketing. For example, most MICs don't advertise their yield, and are even less upfront about their dividend history.

June 1, 2009
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i guess u live in alberta or bc. when i called acic they said they could not sell to me because i lived in another province. do u know of any other firms in alberta or bc that sell mic to other provinces

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June 1, 2009
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MICs do sell to ON residents, but only to those who meet the steep requirements of ON law. Regardless of what MIC you talk to, they'll tell you the same thing. For you to invest in a private MIC, either ON law has to change or you have to move to BC.

June 2, 2009
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i found found one site that would from bc that would sell mic to other provinces aviawest mortage investment corportion

June 2, 2009
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Of course Aviawest would sell to ON residents. But that doesn't mean this BC MIC lets ON residents play by BC rules. On page 44 of their OM (offering memorandum), in the subscription agreement for residents of Ontario, clause (b) stipulates that the purchaser is an accredited investor as defined by ON rules.

June 2, 2009
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by talking with mortage investment corporations that sell mic in bc and alberta. since i do not live in those provinces i fall into manitoba securites that follow different guide lines. is there any forms i can fill out to buy mic. they expect me to earn 85000 a year and have over 500000 in assets

June 3, 2009
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Ask the MIC how to invest. They'll send you the OM, financial statements, and subscription agreement. Ask for dividend history if it hasn't been given.

Are you close to meeting any of the requirements? If you can invest almost $150K, you can top it off with HELOC at today's low rate, but don't if you're far off. I still think you should stick to savings accounts and GICs. With high requirements, ON law doesn't think MICs are for neophytes.

June 4, 2009
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i live in manitoba and i have to follow the securities commisson for manitoba. can u find me the rules for eligible investor for manitoba. I have to follow guide lines from my province to buy shares in other province like bc or alberta

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June 4, 2009
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Arrowhedge.com has the complete explanation of investor qualifications for all of Canada. To invest in MICs, investors qualify in one of 3 ways:

  1. accredited investor exemption
  2. offering memorandum exemption
  3. minimum investment exemption

The accredited investor definition is the same for all of Canada. The minimum investment exemption means you invest $150K. The key for most people is to qualify under the OM exemption, which means to read the OM, sign the risk acknowledgement form, and invest $5K. Only BC, maritime provinces, and Yukon have OM exemption.

June 4, 2009
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well it looks like i do not meet there objectives. do u know any thing else out there that puts out interest rate like that where i may meet objectives.

June 5, 2009
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There is another investment from a private REIT called IGW REIT (PDF download; Acrobat required). They offer traditional REIT units and the new Income Priority Unit. IPUs have a fixed price and fixed yield of 8.5% for the 1-year series, and 9.25% for the 2-year series. The units automatically renew for another term unless you give a Notice of Maturity at least 60 days before maturity. IGW REIT is managed by a company called League. OM exemption is available for all provinces other than ON and QC.

June 5, 2009
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are you sure i do not fall into a eligible investor living in manitoba. and what is the minium amount u can put down

June 5, 2009
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doc said:

are you sure i do not fall into a eligible investor living in manitoba. and what is the minium amount u can put down


Actually, I'm sure you do fall into the eligible investor in MB category. The minimum investment is $1000. Why the heck are you asking me this? Check it out for yourself! I'm not your investment advisor; I'm your tipster. Do your own due diligence.

June 5, 2009
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no problem and thanks

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