50 point rate hike June 1st 2022 | Page 2 | General financial discussion | Discussion forum

Please consider registering
guest

sp_LogInOut Log In sp_Registration Register

Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search

— Forum Scope —




— Match —





— Forum Options —





Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

No permission to create posts
sp_Feed Topic RSS sp_TopicIcon
50 point rate hike June 1st 2022
June 2, 2022
10:06 am
Vatox
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 1218
Member Since:
October 29, 2017
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Dean said
.
Food for thought . . .

If he's right (and I think he is), best we Hang On To Our Hats

    Dean

  

And there is that lingering 55% of Canadians with no savings and utilizing nearly all of their income. It’s either going to kick Canadians in the pants to make them live lighter or it’s going to capsize the boat. Interesting times ahead!

June 2, 2022
10:19 am
Dean
Valhalla Mountains, British Columbia
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 1927
Member Since:
January 12, 2019
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Vatox said

And there is that lingering 55% of Canadians with no savings and utilizing nearly all of their income. It’s either going to kick Canadians in the pants to make them live lighter or it’s going to capsize the boat. Interesting times ahead!  

Possibly 'Recession'

Time will tell,

    Dean

sf-cool " Live Long, Healthy ... And Prosper! " sf-cool

June 2, 2022
10:47 am
Dean
Valhalla Mountains, British Columbia
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 1927
Member Since:
January 12, 2019
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Dean said
.
Food for thought . . .

If he's right (and I think he is), best we Hang On To Our Hats

    Dean

  

And there's also this ⬇

If it happens, a BoC rate hike of 0.75% next month would be quite the 'Shocker'. It's never happened before ❗

    Dean

sf-cool " Live Long, Healthy ... And Prosper! " sf-cool

June 2, 2022
11:00 am
cgouimet
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 1477
Member Since:
February 7, 2019
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Dean said

And there's also this ⬇

If it happens, a BoC rate hike of 0.75% next month would be quite the 'Shocker'. It's never happened before ❗

    Dean

  

.75% would definitely be a cage rattler ...

CGO
June 2, 2022
11:48 am
HermanH
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 1177
Member Since:
April 14, 2021
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

An original move of 0.75 would have been much more effective in March, than now. Instead, they prolong the pain and shock unnecessarily.

June 2, 2022
12:18 pm
mustang
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 217
Member Since:
January 7, 2020
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Chinese water torture, n'est pas?

June 2, 2022
12:23 pm
cgouimet
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 1477
Member Since:
February 7, 2019
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

HermanH said
An original move of 0.75 would have been much more effective in March, than now. Instead, they prolong the pain and shock unnecessarily.  

Even as a member of this forum and a participant in this thread, I am short of many the qualications required to be BoC Chairman. I'm sure that's true for most, if not all, of us... 🙂

CGO
June 2, 2022
7:33 pm
kelbee
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 24
Member Since:
July 5, 2019
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Re: BNN article

"Don't expect the hawkish rhetoric to let up until inflation starts to trend lower. We continue to look for another 50bp hike in July, but there's a risk of a 75bp move if inflation surprises to the high side yet again."

Risk? Seems like a bias towards the concerns of borrowers, not those relying (at least hoping to) on fixed income.

June 3, 2022
4:08 am
dougjp
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 576
Member Since:
January 9, 2011
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online

kelbee said
Re: BNN article

"Don't expect the hawkish rhetoric to let up until inflation starts to trend lower. We continue to look for another 50bp hike in July, but there's a risk of a 75bp move if inflation surprises to the high side yet again."

Risk? Seems like a bias towards the concerns of borrowers, not those relying (at least hoping to) on fixed income.  

Its always been the bias. I don't remember any time when the BoC did specific things the opposite way, focused on helping non borrowers at the expense of borrowers.

But what does "inflation surprises to the high side" mean, in practical terms? Hmm lets see. The target is 2%. Inflation at the last announcement is 6.8%. So if next time its either 3.2%, 4.8%, or 6.8% or more, any of them are way high and means a 75 bp move?

Another thing that was predictable. Banks raise their prime lending rate in concert with the BoC rate. But what's this? Renaissance (CIBC) HISA for use within its investment platform only goes up by 10 bp, from .75 to .85%. I haven't bothered checking but likely the big banks don't raise deposit rates by the same 25 bp for borrowers? Maybe it is time to buy bank shares during a 'correction'.

" We may never pass this way again " - Seals & Crofts

June 3, 2022
5:13 am
savemoresaveoften
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 2897
Member Since:
March 30, 2017
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I don’t think savings acct interest rate ever go up 1:1 to bank rate.
Prime rate always does when BoC raises. If FIs raises less, BoC will be hugely upset. On the flip side, when BoC cut, FI can move their rate any amount they want, or there r multiple occasions when they move less than the bank. I remembered not too long BoC was upset about one particular big 5 that cut less and had to match BoC rate the next day or 2. If my memory served me well, BoC did 25, FI only did 10 or 15, and had to up it to 25 after the ‘concern’ by BoC.

Savers (fixed income collectors) may think they are back bone to the economy, but the truth is responsible borrowing (aka reasonable leverage) is the real driver of the economy. Thats why interest rate is a powerful monetary policy.

June 4, 2022
11:16 am
Norman1
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 6800
Member Since:
April 6, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

In April, Globe & Mail columnist Rob Carrick wrote about that 2015 incident:

Globe & Mail (April 11, 2022): It’s time for the banks to reverse a rate grab from 2015 that punishes borrowers to this day.

Bank of Canada cut overnight rate by ¼% in January 2015 and again in July 2015. The banks cut the prime twice by 0.15% for total of 0.3% instead of 0.5%.

The banks haven't transmitted the remaining 0.2% of those 2015 Bank of Canada cuts to the prime rate since.

No permission to create posts

Please write your comments in the forum.