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Which CU to add to current stable?
July 16, 2022
3:57 pm
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Looking for some feedback please.

Anyone here using more than one Manitoba Credit Union for diversity? I have Hubert and am thinking of adding another for comfort level. Don't need any more CDIC institutions.

Thanks in advance

July 16, 2022
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Once the 3X amalgamation is complete (sometime late next year), Hubert will be a part of the Biggest & Best CU in Manitoba.

In comparison, the others will most likely look like 'chicken feed'.

Others may differ. sf-smile

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July 16, 2022
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I would advise you to avoid Steinbach. It's a pain in the rear with their peculiar way of dealing with interest. payment and calculation I gave up my membership there this year.

A lot of people seem to like Achieva. I have no experience with it.

Don't bother with AcceleRate as it's the same as Hubert now.

Rosenort has the same complications as Steinbach although I haven't used it.

Bigger isn't necessarily better.

July 16, 2022
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I appreciate the feedback! Like many others, I will be locking in again soon and will have a closer look at Achieva. The amalgamation Hubert-->Access, not sure how that will be. at least they aren't going the way of CDIC/Federal Credit Unions as 2 have recently done in BC 🙁

July 16, 2022
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I went with Achieva, last year, for their best interest rate. They were a bit more onerous to open (I think I had to send a cheque), but no problems otherwise. Just be aware that the savings acct only allows one withdrawal / month. A bonus is that Achieva pays $1 / month, if you accept e-statements instead of paper. Earn $12/yr just to have the acct open.

This year, I think I'll just stick with Hubert, unless they fail to match highest GIC rate.

July 16, 2022
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Manitoba credit unions are covered by DGCM. DGCM.ca FAQ on deposit guarantee:

"Does the Government of Manitoba also cover deposits?
No. There is no legislated requirement for the Manitoba government to guarantee deposits"

Does this lack of government guarantee not worry depositors with large sums in Manitoba credit unions?

July 16, 2022
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I don't keep a large portion of my money there although it may seem large to some in absolute dollars. I use it primarily for cash and the one year cashable GICs. It's a bit of a compromise.

July 16, 2022
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I have been a member of Accelerate Financial for over 10 years and have been very impressed with their customer service and their consistent high savings rates. I hope that doesn't change with their merger. I'm very new with Achieva and also with Hubert and so far they've been quite good. I think the best credit unions are in Manitoba. I haven't used banks for savings for many years and especially since the fed gov't brought in "bail-in" provisions for the big banks. Remember what they did to the people in Cyprus back around 2013!

July 17, 2022
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Loonie said
I don't keep a large portion of my money there although it may seem large to some in absolute dollars. I use it primarily for cash and the one year cashable GICs. It's a bit of a compromise.  

Loonie .... what is the "it" you are referring to?
Short of having a dozen different savings institutions, I am struggling for solutions to the safety vs simplicity of managing term deposits for the best returns with the least risk.

I'm all ears/eyes to hear what is working for others.

July 17, 2022
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There were two "its" in my post. Which one do you want clarification on?

If you have more money than you can reasonably manage, I recommend using a deposit broker.

July 17, 2022
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Loonie said
I don't keep a large portion of my money there although it may seem large to some in absolute dollars. I use it primarily for cash and the one year cashable GICs. It's a bit of a compromise.
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Were you referring to Achieva?

I have always been hands-on and that is hard to shake, but your suggestion of a Deposit Broker may be a wise future step to look at in the looming geezer years ahead.

July 17, 2022
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I meant Hubert. I've never dealt with Achieva.

With a deposit broker, you still call the shots, but you don't have to do all the leg work. Once you have established your credentials with them, they set up all the GICs; you just have to choose the one(s) you want from their extensive roster.. For what it's worth, I use GIC Wealth Management but there have also been positive reports about Scrivens and Monarch.
Very handy for geezers!

July 17, 2022
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Loonie said
I meant Hubert. I've never dealt with Achieva.

With a deposit broker, you still call the shots, but you don't have to do all the leg work. Once you have established your credentials with them, they set up all the GICs; you just have to choose the one(s) you want from their extensive roster.. For what it's worth, I use GIC Wealth Management but there have also been positive reports about Scrivens and Monarch.
Very handy for geezers!  

Thanks ... what is a typical Deposit Brokers fee structure like? I didn't get here by not being frugal - lol

July 17, 2022
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ExtraSauce said
Looking for some feedback please.

Anyone here using more than one Manitoba Credit Union for diversity? I have Hubert and am thinking of adding another for comfort level. Don't need any more CDIC institutions.

Thanks in advance  

First of all, you said you didn't want to try to manage a dozen FIs. You also want to limit risk. Those statements are a bit contradictory if you want to both remain within insured deposit limits and not put all your eggs in one Manitoba CU basket. Even investing a lot of money in a number of Manitoba CUs can be a risk if the DGCM runs into trouble. In order to limit risk, if you have a lot of money to invest, you have to spread the investments around, even amongst different deposit insurances.(CDIC, FSRAO, BCFSA, etc.)

Using a broker can help, but realize that once you have invested a significant amount with their FIs, within insured limits, the choices of high interest rate FIs will diminish. They only have a limited number of suppliers that will offer the higher rates you will want.

While using a broker is convenient in many ways, you may still want to avoid putting all your eggs in their baskets in order to maximize returns. And, although some broker FIs may differ from agency to agency, many of the FIs they service are the same.

Ultimately, you have to determine your tolerance for risk vs your desire for conveience. Good luck with that.

Just as an aside, we have used brokers and invested independantly for may years while remaining within insured limits. It's a juggling act, but it works for us. We also don't want all of our eggs in one basket.

July 17, 2022
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ExtraSauce said what is a typical Deposit Brokers fee structure like?

Does it really matter? As long as you get the best possible GIC rate, does it matter if the broker earns 0.25% or 0.50% for their involvement. If they are able to negotiate a better commission/fee for themselves from the issuer and pass less of the benefit onto the buyer (you), it shouldn't matter much. You still get a better rate than you would have gotten directly from the issuer. It may not be much, but 'better 'is still better than 'nothing at all'. sf-smile

July 17, 2022
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Dean said
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Once the 3X amalgamation is complete (sometime late next year), Hubert will be a part of the Biggest & Best CU in Manitoba.

In comparison, the others will most likely look like 'chicken feed'.

Others may differ. sf-smile

    Dean

Loonie said

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Bigger isn't necessarily better. 
 

Thanks Loonie

That didn't take long ... we knew you'd say that sf-laugh

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July 17, 2022
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HermanH said

ExtraSauce said what is a typical Deposit Brokers fee structure like?

Does it really matter? As long as you get the best possible GIC rate, does it matter if the broker earns 0.25% or 0.50% for their involvement. If they are able to negotiate a better commission/fee for themselves from the issuer and pass less of the benefit onto the buyer (you), it shouldn't matter much. You still get a better rate than you would have gotten directly from the issuer. It may not be much, but 'better 'is still better than 'nothing at all'. sf-smile  

Just trying to get a handle on their typical fees, and after seeing your post, I assume fees can be back and/or front end, but likely negotiable ... am I assuming correctly? Thanks Herman

I was managing with Hubert, EQ, Tang, TD and local credit union (which is becoming Federal CDIC), but now need some more diversification.

July 17, 2022
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gicjunkie said

you have to spread the investments around, even amongst different deposit insurances.(CDIC, FSRAO, BCFSA, etc.)

Using a broker can help, but realize that once you have invested a significant amount with their FIs, within insured limits, the choices of high interest rate FIs will diminish. They only have a limited number of suppliers that will offer the higher rates you will want.

While using a broker is convenient in many ways, you may still want to avoid putting all your eggs in their baskets in order to maximize returns. And, although some broker FIs may differ from agency to agency, many of the FIs they service are the same.

Ultimately, you have to determine your tolerance for risk vs your desire for conveience. Good luck with that.

Just as an aside, we have used brokers and invested independantly for may years while remaining within insured limits. It's a juggling act, but it works for us. We also don't want all of our eggs in one basket.  

Good info. I am thinking an interview with some brokers and adding in a remaining BCFSA credit union along with something from Ontario might work better than just another overweight Manitoba CU.

July 17, 2022
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ExtraSauce said

Just trying to get a handle on their typical fees, and after seeing your post, I assume fees can be back and/or front end, but likely negotiable ... am I assuming correctly? Thanks Herman
  

I think you have it wrong. The commission is behind the scenes between issuer and broker. What is advertised for a GIC interest rate is what you get.

July 17, 2022
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ExtraSauce said Just trying to get a handle on their typical fees, and after seeing your post, I assume fees can be back and/or front end, but likely negotiable ... am I assuming correctly?

AltaRed said I think you have it wrong. The commission is behind the scenes between issuer and broker. What is advertised for a GIC interest rate is what you get.  

AltaRed is on the mark. The commission paid to brokers, from the issuer in order to sell the GIC, is behind the scenes and final GIC purchasers will have no influence upon it. Generally, both GIC brokers and purchasers make a bit more than a direct GIC purchase from the issuer.

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