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Every now and then, I check the HISA chart and open an account with whoever the leader is, then move my spare money over to them. Anybody else do this?
August 17, 2021
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Every now and then, I check out the HISA chart on this website to see which institution offers the highest interest rate. I then open up an account with the leader, if I don't have an account with them yet.
Currently, NeoFinancial has the best rate at 1.3%. So I've just opened up an account with them and will be moving my money to them.

Anybody else do the same thing? It takes several minutes to open an account, and the rate difference between the current leader (which I previously didn't have an account with) and a 2nd-placer (with which I have an account with: CanadianTire at 1.25%) might be tiny (0.05% difference). But I think to myself the rates may diverge greater in the future and I can easily move my money to wherever it's best. Plus, if I keep up the habit of opening an account with whoever the leader of the day/month is, soon I'll have an account with all of them and won't need to spend time in the future in the account-opening process. I'd have to just click/tap a few buttons to move money from one institution to another. Lol.

August 18, 2021
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There is a fault with having so many accounts. Every account must be made/kept active. Some are annually and some bi-annually. If they fall dormant or inactive, you may face penalty fees for maintenance. 🙂

August 18, 2021
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HermanH,
I hate fees so you make a good point. Wish the HISA chart included a column for fee amount and another column for how long before penalty is meted.

August 18, 2021
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HermanH said
There is a fault with having so many accounts. Every account must be made/kept active. Some are annually and some bi-annually. If they fall dormant or inactive, you may face penalty fees for maintenance. 🙂  

I put quarterly calendar reminder for myself, to login to each of my accounts and transfer few dollars between those that I am not using on a regular basis.

Logging into each account once every 3 months is not a big deal. When it gets too annoying because of too many of them, I'll be closing the most unused ones.

I do check HISA regularly and also go for highest interest paying accounts, but I exclude credit unions. My personal preference.

August 18, 2021
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I think it's overly optimistic to think the rate difference between the leader and others will increase. Almost certainly it will decrease, at least in the shorter term.

However, there is nothing wrong with what you are doing, bearing in mind those inactivity fees as mentioned, if you have the time and patience for it and don't mind the clutter of having many accounts

Personally, I won't open an account just because today's rate is superior. It is guaranteed to fall, often without notice. I will use promo rates when they are guaranteed for a specific period (preferably six months) and financially worth my while. When there are no good promos, I use stand-bys like EQ, Motive etc which have historically had good savings rates without a lot of complications.

August 18, 2021
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I did that for a while but my wife was complaining that I was making things overly complicated in the event she needed to take over the cash management responsibilities.

So I am now keeping it between Tangerine and Hubert.

I have been with Tangerine for years. Their rates have been mediocre at best in recent years but they frequently have relatively good special rate offers on new funds for 3-6 months.

I'm presently on one at 1.5% through October. So, near October end, the $ will go back to Hubert.

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August 18, 2021
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Not anymore.
I settled with 2-3 FI and that is it. No more competition between HISA. You can get occasional promo offer from new FI but for few dollars more I am not opening no new accounts.

August 18, 2021
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Having a proliferation of accounts would be a nightmare for a POA should they have to take over the financial and legal affairs of a person, and ultimately an Executor albeit the latter is a 'one off' event, i.e. account closure.

Over the past 20 years, I have had accounts at various online banks but when it is time to move on, I have closed them after a year or two of dormancy. My general rule of thumb is 2 such accounts, and currently those are LBC Digital and EQ Bank. Over the years I have closed Tangerine (ING), PC Financial, Simplii, Motive, and Peoples. I have no interest in promo games other than short term GICs EQ and/or LBC might have.

0.1% difference on $100k is $100/yr before tax. That is one nice restaurant dinner per year for a couple. Not worthy of consideration to open/close accounts.

August 18, 2021
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piggybank, I go for all institutions, within the respective coverage limits, that offer a better rate. To perform an easy job for $100 in two hours is fine with me, as all the documents are already saved on my computer. And that's only on 100K, as AltaRed notes. An to log in, from time to time, and "activate" the accounts, is fine, too.
I do the same with the credit cards. Once per year, I go to a grocery store with a self check-out on a Wednesday morning (an empty store), and use all family CC, one per item. The CC companies are happy, as the cards are "active".
On a different note: I did this with Capital One M/C. I charged a lonely item for 80 cents, and the statement shows the charge AND a write-off, five days later, in the same amount, making the balance zero. I would have never expected a CC to do that. My thanks to them.

August 18, 2021
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Wow ...

As I said earlier, I don't chase HISA rates as much anymore, just for complexity. You should also keep in mind that your interest is likely 0 while $ are moving between institutions.

On CC's ...

My wife has her BMO MC. She's been with BMO since the 70's and there's no moving her.

I have my TD Visa.I've been with TD since the 70's and there's no moving me.

I had a Tangerine MC for about 12 months but it got "violated" 3 times. I cancelled that.

We now use PC MC for groceries. With PC Optimum, that's been worth about $1000/year of Cash back since 2018; tracking to about $1300-1400 in 2021. That's on groceries for 2 seniors at Loblaws, No Frills and Costco ...

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August 18, 2021
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I think we all keep up to date with HISA rate offerings, but in the current climate with low yields plus little competition (ie; rate differentials), actually moving money doesn't happen as often for me.

I keep a penny or two in accounts I don't currently use, and didn't find them closed out long after. For example I was surprised a Bridgewater account is still open and accessible from many years ago, when they were competitive. And if they do or want fees, well, take the penny and buhbuy!

Good highlights in several posts above about the likely nightmare issues faced by POA and Executors. ALL my "B" bank (online) accounts are in joint names, and I keep detailed daily records of what is where (and what banks have little or nothing too), and their contact info. Whether that really helps or not remains to be seen. But not by me! sf-wink

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August 18, 2021
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I've never closed a HISA account, got lots though some sit empty for long periods. I don't want to go through the hassle of opening one again if their rate becomes attractive again, e.g. Canadian Tire bank was useless for years & years until a year or so ago it pretty much topped the list for a while. For some I just buy a 1-year gic for their minimum amount and have it deposited to the HISA when it comes due and then I'll just buy another 1-year gic, keeps the accounts alive.

Not worried about executor, etc, I've left detailed info, if they're too lazy to do what it takes to get at it that's ok with (the non-existent) me.

August 18, 2021
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Bill said
Not worried about executor, etc, I've left detailed info, if they're too lazy to do what it takes to get at it that's ok with (the non-existent) me.  

I hope your own POA and/or Executor is not reading this. These are thankless tasks and I don't wish to make it harder on that person by being inconsiderate. I would actually turn down the job if I knew someone was playing multiple account games.

August 18, 2021
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If/when I notice I'm losing the ability to keep track of things I'll simplify, close accounts, etc. And if I die before then my executor is also a beneficiary so if it's too much of a headache can choose whether or not to root out every last dollar or just leave immaterial amounts for the fi to appropriate after the requisite time period. (Also I believe an executor is allowed reasonable compensation for their time, so if it takes excessive time they can bill the estate for it.)

Re executor and POA, totally agree these are thankless tasks, best left to those who enjoy managing others' finances.

August 19, 2021
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The last time I was involved with an estate, the funeral director charged a fee for every death certificate beyond the first few (I think 5). I think it was $5 each. That alone would make it pointless to pursue Bill's penny accounts.

August 19, 2021
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Loonie said
The last time I was involved with an estate, the funeral director charged a fee for every death certificate beyond the first few (I think 5). I think it was $5 each. That alone would make it pointless to pursue Bill's penny accounts.  

Interestingly, I was the executor for my mother's estate in 2020 and used very few original death certificates. BMO made a photocopy of an original as well as a photocopy of the will. Tangerine accepted a scanned copy of the death certificate as did many other institutions. And I was told I could have as many as I wanted by the funeral home. I guess it just depends.

August 19, 2021
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MG, my experience too, institutions made copy of original death certificate and Will I brought to them. And last time I got about 20 death certificates initially provided (still got pretty well all of them), funeral home said come back for more (free) if you need.

August 19, 2021
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Executors use Statements of Death that are issued by funeral homes in most, if not all, jurisdictions. Actual death certificates are only issued by provincial Departments of Vital Statistics (or equivalent) and they take months to get. Funeral homes can churn Statements of Death out by the dozen. We didn't pay for any of the several we used in 2015 with my mother's death.

August 19, 2021
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Yes, quite right that it is not technically a death certificate that you get from the funeral home. I was just trying to use language that most people would understand.

The case I was involved with used a no-frills funeral home, which may account for the extra costs. It did save the estate thousands and thousands of dollars and did everything they wanted in a timely and professional manner.

With online banks or those in another province, it will not be so easy to just take it in and have them scan it or photocopy it. They may be more likely to ask for an original or notarized copy.

Canadian Tire MC required its own copy, would not accept a photocopy or make one when we brought it into the store to Customer Service desk as requested.

August 19, 2021
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It was The Simple Alternative, Pickering (I believe it's considered a no-frills funeral home) that offered as many free Statements of Death as I wanted.

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