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August 30, 2017
8:29 am
Norman1
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The flaw is calculating the risk of a mortgage using the property alone. If that really did work, then financial institutions like Home Trust would not even bother with borrower income verification.

Mortgages are not what are called asset-based loans, where the loan is given based on the asset alone.

Except for a few provinces, mortgages are full recourse loans. The borrower's full net worth is backing the mortgages. If, for some reason, after foreclosure, the mortgage is not fully repaid, the lender can continue to pursue the borrower for the shortfall. So, it is really the borrower who determines the risk. As well, the property doesn't really matter if the borrower doesn't default in the first place.

It makes no sense to worry about risk that one is not taking. Is one a shareholder of or an insured deposit holder of the financial institution?

August 30, 2017
9:19 am
NorthernRaven
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If anyone has actual concern about a specific institution, or, say, credit unions in general, the answer is simple. Choose a CDIC institution (and if you are very conservative, a large and stable one) and respect the limits, at whatever cost in lower interest rates. Even if you could actually calculate it (you can't) "Risk premium" is NOT a phrase that should be associated with your cash or basic GIC investments... 🙂

For pure intellectual curiosity about regional economy differences or the stability of credit unions, handwaving about Manitoba farms or Toronto housing bubbles is probably of little use. You'd want to take a look at their annual financials, to see how much of their mortgage book is covered by CMHC, for instance (no risk), and how much equity they have that can be eaten through. You could estimate the losses on the remaining non-guaranteed residential mortgages, commercial and farm loans, etc. from whatever hypothetical crisis situation you come up with. There's probably going to be liquidity support or a sale/merger or other measures before the institution goes kaput, and you'll want to factor in the resources of the provincial guarantee corp.

August 30, 2017
10:15 am
swan
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I do not think you can explain from what I have seen do not posses a disciplined mind
All I see is overly emotional response. Their is no logic behind you words

But capitalism he about capital. how much do you have so I will know the value of any of your words . and how would I verify that you are telling the truth ?

Maybe the mod could clean this thread up seeing as it has descended in to personal attacks

The question was about security of money place in credit union and banks and how to determine which one was safer than the other .

This guy claims he can do this but dose not want to explain how

not all institution covered by the same deposit institution rance are the same . the risk is the fi not the deposit insurance

and in capitalism the point is to collect capital and seems the answer her maybe coming from people with very little or sense . and so with little on line they give answer of little value . mostly people here just complain about customer service not substantial topic like risk management .

WHY DOSE NO MOD JUST NOT CLOSE MY ACCOUNT HERE

GET YOURSELF AT SET BUDDY

August 30, 2017
1:12 pm
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Norman1 and NorthernRaven have itemized some of the important answers to swan's questions. But swan has dismissed them out of hand.
Now he/she wants to know how much money other members of the forum have, as if that report would be more reliable than the actual information given. (In that case, I'm a multi-billiionaire!< - as I'm sure we all are! sf-laugh! )
As if that isn't enough, she/he then wants to know how she would verify this.
How, indeed? Logically, the next request will be for your bank statements. No, wait, that wouldn't be sufficient because you might have fudged them... It will be your account numbers and PINs that are undoubtedly needed!

He or she doesn't want to invest in Ontario FIs. So be it.
He or she doesn't like the answers she gets here. So be it.

MODERATOR: I suggest this thread be closed.

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