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Bank accounts for children
March 14, 2018
10:19 am
Pipersierra
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I was wondering if anyone knew of any one of these high interest virtual banks allowed for accounts to held by minors, either alone or jointly with an adult?
I did inquire with a few and so far no luck. Does one need to go to a bricks and mortar to get one of accounts and thus get terrible rates?

March 14, 2018
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My understanding is that in-trust bank accounts for minors come with their own baggage, such as who is the beneficiary in the event the child dies and how is (and who) manages the trust. For a simple bank account, these appear to be harmless subtleties, and most likely are not likely to ever be an issue, but I can understand most online banks don't want to touch them.

If the bank account for a minor is not a true in-trust account, then I understand the income is attributable back to the adult whose name is associated with the account.

Added: When we had young kids in the 1960s and 1980s, we set up in-trust bank accounts for our kids in which the Family Benefit cheques were deposited to these accounts and my wife was the named adult holder (trustee) of the account (family benefits at that time were made out to the mother of the children). We determined that while my wife had to declare the cheques on her tax return, any income attributed to the deposited cheques was attributable to the children.

March 14, 2018
11:29 am
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Yeah attribution is nasty, but i thought a joint account perhaps would enable me to get the kid one of these fine GIC rates i am seeing. So far it seems more problematic than I assumed.

March 14, 2018
12:27 pm
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I think there might have been some posts on here somewhere about bank accounts for minors. I do remember that not all minors' accounts have to be in trust - I think TD, for example, allows 12 year-olds to have their own bank account, either alone or joint, so I assume the other bricks-and-mortar banks are the same.

March 14, 2018
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The OP was looking for something other than terrible rates at brick and mortar banks. That said, I think bricks and mortar is where one will have to go.

March 14, 2018
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How do I open a Tangerine Children's Savings Account?

The first step to getting a Tangerine Children's Savings Account is to open a Savings or Chequing Account of your own, if you don’t already have one.

Then, once your own Account is up and running, opening a Tangerine Children's Savings Account is a snap. Just log in and click ‘Open a Savings Account’ on the Overview page. From there, you can select Children’s Savings Account.

You'll need to provide some of your child's personal information, so please remember to have his or her Social Insurance Number and one of the following pieces of ID when enrolling: Canadian Passport, Canadian Permanent Resident Card, Canadian Secure Certificate of Indian Status, Provincial or Territorial Identification Cards, Birth Certificate (only an option for children 11 and under), Canadian Citizenship Card or Certificate (only an option for children 11 and under)

March 14, 2018
6:19 pm
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It's not an issue for me, so I didn't keep track, but I know I have seen financial institutions that offered significantly betters savings account rates on children's accounts. So, it is worth it to continue your search if you are interested in one of those.

March 15, 2018
7:22 am
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Thanks! I will check out tangerine. I never even thought of them tbh. It looks like the highest rates are off the table for children.

March 15, 2018
8:45 am
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Best bet (and the banks prefer this): joint accounts with parent.

Accounts in the child's own name can be opened; however, if the child is under 13 years of age, often the bank will decline to issue them a debit card. If they do, the debit card will be set with the lowest possible withdrawal limit and all deposits will be held.

Informal in trust accounts in the name of the parent are fine, but remember the interest earned is reported in your name. Also, the pending CDIC changes could include a further tightening up regarding CDIC insurability of informal trust accounts. 🙂

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Doug

March 15, 2018
8:47 am
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AltaRed said
Added: When we had young kids in the 1960s and 1980s, we set up in-trust bank accounts for our kids in which the Family Benefit cheques were deposited to these accounts and my wife was the named adult holder (trustee) of the account (family benefits at that time were made out to the mother of the children). We determined that while my wife had to declare the cheques on her tax return, any income attributed to the deposited cheques was attributable to the children.  

Interesting, but I'm not sure if that was legally challenged. At any rate, all government allowances for children are tax-free benefits so it's a bit of a moot point nowadays. 🙂

Cheers,
Doug

March 23, 2018
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As mentioned, you can use Tangerine. They sent us an email with a $50 promotion per child with some conditions:

A Tangerine Children’s Savings Account is a great way for parents to help their kids get a head start on their savings. And now’s a great time to open one, because you can earn up to $50 in Bonuses*.

Open a Children’s Savings Account with an Automatic Savings Program (ASP) for Your Child by May 31, 2018 and You Could Earn Cash Bonuses of up to $50.

Step 1

Open a Children’s Savings Account with a minimum initial deposit of $100 by May 31, 2018 and earn a $25 Bonus.

Step 2

Within 30 days of opening the Children’s Savings Account, set up an ASP of at least $50 monthly for 6 months to that Account and get another $25 Bonus.

An ASP helps children see how quickly their savings can grow. The money moves into their Account automatically at the frequency you choose — weekly, biweekly, or monthly.

It’s easy!

Just log in at tangerine.ca before May 31, 2018 and go to ‘Insights’ to learn more or open an Account today.

January 24, 2022
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My understanding is that a child can get a debit card at age 13 and empty a bank account parent contributed to (after parent had set it up solely in child's name when child was born, i.e. not joint, not "in trust").

Can child do the same if bank account was set up in name "Parent, In Trust for Child" (i.e. still not joint)? Or would child have to wait to age 18 to empty it if it's held in (informal) trust name?

January 24, 2022
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Pipersierra said
Thanks! I will check out tangerine. I never even thought of them tbh. It looks like the highest rates are off the table for children.  

keep in mind I believe a child account may NOT be targeted for rate promotion...

January 24, 2022
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When our daughter was young, we setup a separate account in our name and accumulated "her" money there. On her 18th BD, we gifted her "her" funds...

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January 24, 2022
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Bill said

Can child do the same if bank account was set up in name "Parent, In Trust for Child" (i.e. still not joint)? Or would child have to wait to age 18 to empty it if it's held in (informal) trust name?

For an informal in-trust account, the child is entitled to the funds on reaching the age of majority. Not sure if bank would automatically allow it without the parent's consent without the child obtaining a court order.

For a formal trust account, that would depend on the terms of the trust.

I posted a more detailed article about this in Informal in-trust accounts versus formal trusts.

January 24, 2022
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Thanks, Norman1, so it looks like you can defer the minor child's access to the account for a few years by opening the account as "Parent Name, In Trust for Child Name" vs "Child Name". Cool!

January 24, 2022
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Just wondering as it's not relevant to me personally, who pays the income tax on earnings?

January 24, 2022
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The usual attribution rules apply for tax on the earnings in an informal in-trust account.

The details are in the section "How are they taxed?" of the article I mentioned.

January 24, 2022
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Though not my situation, I believe if a relative gifts money to a minor relative, then interest earned in the minor's bank account is attributed back to giver. Interest on the interest is income of the minor.

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