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MBNA's Smart Cash Card - BEST CASHBACK CREDIT CARD EVER!!!
August 6, 2014
11:51 am
djino
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Loonie said

The cash back system is not very clear on the website.
I spoke just now on the Chat line with CS and was told the following in regards to the World Elite card:

"Cash Back: Redemption starts at 5000 points and can only be redeemed in 5000 increments
5,000 points = $50.00
10,000 points = $100.00
25,000 points = $250.00"

Yes, do you have any issues with the above. Its simple enough. When you reach 5000 points, go online and choose the option to redeem for $50 statement credit. The credit will appear the following day.

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August 6, 2014
12:37 pm
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No, I have no issues with it, thanks. Sounds like a good deal for those who have sufficient income and who spend enough on the card to make it worth their while.
I will have to mull over whether it's better for me than my existing arrangement. Thx.

August 7, 2014
8:38 am
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Loonie said

The cash back system is not very clear on the website.
I spoke just now on the Chat line with CS and was told the following in regards to the World Elite card:

"Cash Back: Redemption starts at 5000 points and can only be redeemed in 5000 increments
5,000 points = $50.00
10,000 points = $100.00
25,000 points = $250.00"

You get 2 points for every dollar spent, so you would need to spend $2500 to get $50, which is 2% of expenditures.

Sorry if this seems repetitive, but I didn't find their website very clear.

Is their a dollar limit to the 4@ earning rate. I have the MBNA Smart Cash World card (not Elite) and my 2% rate is only on gas and groceries and is capped at $400 worth of spending per month. Past that I would get 1% - so once I hit the $400 I start using my Capital One Aspire Cash World card which pays 1.5% on everything. Monthly I trigger a statment credit for the amount in my rewards balance.

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August 7, 2014
10:52 am
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I am referring to the World Elite card, as described in post #315 above.
It's 2% straight up on all purchases, no limits or exclusions, no cap. I think this is a lot easier to deal with than the various threshholds and having to keep track of it all and jump from one card to another, so it gets my vote for that reason. I get really annoyed at the ones that say you get this much on so many groceries and that much on so much gas etc.
There is a fee of $89, but they give you a starting bonus of 10,000 points, equal to $100.
I can't find where it says that the first year fee is waived in addition to the bonus, but djino suggests that it is. (edited - I've found it now.)

I can't find anything at 4% except the fee-based Scotia Momentum, for groceries and gas, no cap, but it costs $99 (1st yr waived). (edited: The Scotia Momentum credit card which has the $99 fee has limits of $25,000 for the gas/grocery portion at 4% and also a limit of $25,000 for the drugs/recurring bills portion at 2%. The $39 card has a limit of $25,000 for gas/grocery/drugs/recurring bills altogether and pays 2% for these. The FREE Momentum card does not seem to have limits, probably because it pays less.)

Perhaps this World Elite card would be better for you, Greg, but it depends on whether you can justify the fee past the first year. (edited: probably that should be the 3rd year, as there is the $100.00 bonus to justify a 2nd year)

I think I'll wait and see what Costco comes up with. If they don't renew the exclusivity with Amex, there might be a better deal there. Most of my grocery bill is with Costco, so the credit cards that emphasize grocery purchases in their rewards schedule are not much use to me because of the Amex restriction.

August 7, 2014
10:24 pm
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Loonie said
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There is a fee of $89, but they give you a starting bonus of 10,000 points, equal to $100.
I can't find where it says that the first year fee is waived in addition to the bonus, but djino suggests that it is.
....

Those details are mentioned on the application page djino mentioned.

August 7, 2014
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Thanks, Norman. I found it now. I must have been looking at the wrong page.

November 29, 2014
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Hi everyone, if I got this credit card would it be possible to convert it into the RTP/RWE later on? I ask as my spending is currently not that much but in a few years it'll likely increase to the point where a better card with an annual fee (ie RTP/RWE) would make sense. However, I wouldn't want to have both the SC and the RTP/RWE, nor would I want to get two credit hits from that. I would like to get the SC now, convert it to RTP/RWE later on so that no additional credit hit is required and it uses the same tradeline on my credit report.

Anyone know if this would be possible?

Thanks in advance! sf-smile

November 30, 2014
5:56 am
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It's impossible to predict the future. Procedures can change.
However, it should be possible.
It's also possible that by the time you want to switch, that you will re-evaluate what's out there and will want to go with a different card entirely. The market is always changing, and it's competitive for people with good credit scores.

I suggest you pick the card that suits you best now, and don't worry too much about the future.
I doubt that another credit check in a few years will have any negative impact on your credit rating. Too many of them, especially in close succession, could do so.
The main thing is to not go over your limit and pay it off every month.
Also, I read on a credit counselling website a while ago that it is recommended that you don't use more than about 30% of your available credit. Apparently they don't like it when you get too close to your limit. You can ask for increases periodically to gradually build it up.

November 30, 2014
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Thanks for the response Loonie.

Yeah in a couple years when I want a better card (with a fee) there could certainly be a better card, but right now the RTP/RWE looks to be the best and has been for some time now. I’ve literally looked at every single credit card available in Canada. Some might suggest something like the Cap 1 aspire travel world, but I don’t like the tier system + you need to redeem for travel (which I don’t do a lot). I much prefer the straight up cash back that the RTP/RWE provides. There are also some other cards that are almost as good...but not quite as good.

Tbh, it’s actually not so much the extra credit hit I’d be worried about, but more so having another credit card to worry about and needing to use on a monthly basis. I’m fairly educated on credit reporting and to maximize your score (which matters to me since I’ll likely be getting a mortgage within 4 years) you should always have payments on your credit card every single month.

For me once my spending is increased (should be in a couple years) my ideal credit card combo would be:
Scotia Momentum Visa Infinite: gas and groceries
RTP/RWE: everything else
Canadian Tire: bill payments (utilities + property tax)
TD card: this was my first ever card at 18 years old so I'm keeping it forever to maintain it's long history

I mean, I guess if they can't convert my SC then it's not a HUGE deal, I'd just have 5 credit cards which is one more than I'd like to keep in my wallet and need to remember to buy something small with every month. Just hoping they'll be able to convert though sf-cool

December 1, 2014
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You can always cancel a credit card if you don't want them all. My understanding is that they will not count that against you. They have a way to record that it was cancelled at customer request. I am not an expert, but this is what I have read.

I appreciate all the research you've done, and generally would agree with your conclusiions. You weren't asking for advice on that, but I just wanted to point out that as your income increases, so will your expenditures, and you will likely eventually find yourself wanting to spend more money in categories or with particular merchants that invite more credit cards.
Two others worth considering, IMO, are the new Capital One for Costco members and the JP Morgan Chase card with Amazon.
You probably don't belong to Costco, and that is a prerequisite. But at some point it may be worth your while to do so. This card gives back 3% on restaurant bills, which I don't think you'll find anywhere else.
The Amazon card allows you to avoid the foreign exchange fee (2.5%) when you shop online or when traveling outside the country, which you will likely do more of as your income goes up. These are both free cards.

January 19, 2015
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