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Email this3:22 am
September 29, 2017
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@Bill, @HermanH, @RetirED, THESE!
May level heads prevail!
9:27 am
April 14, 2021
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mordko said
Pitting computers vs driving around with mail is nonsense because people and businesses already have computers, cellphones and ipads and are already getting emails. That's not going away whether CP limps on for a few more years or dies tomorrow. And the energy required is far less anyway as quoted above.
I watched one news report claim that the aggregate global online streaming services, like Spotify, generate 1% of all greenhouse gas emissions.
RetirEd said
I wonder how that's working out for them? The idea of forcing people to buy expensive heavy-duty bags (which are much more (degradation-resistant) for their trash is nuts.
Walmart reported a boom in garbage bag sales, once the plastic shopping bag ban came into effect. Evidently, the public doesn't give a darn and will happily buy plastic bags to use for garbage. The idiocy of the more permanent heavy-duty bags does not reduce plastic production since they use the same plastic material, only more compressed and dense. The resultant reduction in overall plastic production is virtually non-existent.
10:20 am
October 27, 2013
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HermanH said
I watched one news report claim that the aggregate global online streaming services, like Spotify, generate 1% of all greenhouse gas emissions.
I also have oceanfront property in Arizona for sale. Interested?
The French think tank The Shift Project in 2019 came up with that 1% number that gets reported without fact checking. I invite you to peruse this paper. https://www.iea.org/commentaries/the-carbon-footprint-of-streaming-video-fact-checking-the-headlines
Not only that, if one was not engaged in streaming digitally, that same person would likely be doing an alternate digital activity, or worse, acquiring and listening to radio, television or using personal audio/video devices, either solid state or via even more wasteful physical CD and/or DVD discs.
Folks with vested interests (agendas) will generate whatever they want without counter-analysis of the alternatives. The most efficient and effective alternative, politics aside, will almost always eventually win.
7:11 pm
November 18, 2017
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HermanH:
Walmart reported a boom in garbage bag sales, once the plastic shopping bag ban came into effect. Evidently, the public doesn't give a darn and will happily buy plastic bags to use for garbage. The idiocy of the more permanent heavy-duty bags does not reduce plastic production since they use the same plastic material, only more compressed and dense. The resultant reduction in overall plastic production is virtually non-existent.
People buying more garbage bags until the plastic-bag ban is exactly the reverse of what you suggest - people are NOT "happily" buying garbage bags. They don't until they are forced to!
And denser and compressed material does contain more plastic than thin stuff. Over the years, plastic-bag makers have steadily decreased the thickness of their products and made them stronger to compensate.
Decades ago, Quebec banned the use of non-compliant heavy-duty bags for garbage because of the extra labour in loading them into trucks. And they also spend almost twice as much on special provincial-government blue bags as ordinary ones because of rampant theft by government employees!
At my home in Vancouver, there's no extra loading labour because the trucks just pick up the dumpster regardless of how many individual bags it contains. YMMV.
RetirEd
11:07 pm
April 14, 2021
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RetirEd said
HermanH:Walmart reported a boom in garbage bag sales, once the plastic shopping bag ban came into effect. Evidently, the public doesn't give a darn and will happily buy plastic bags to use for garbage. The idiocy of the more permanent heavy-duty bags does not reduce plastic production since they use the same plastic material, only more compressed and dense. The resultant reduction in overall plastic production is virtually non-existent.
People buying more garbage bags until the plastic-bag ban is exactly the reverse of what you suggest - people are NOT "happily" buying garbage bags. They don't until they are forced to!
I was being ironic. No one enjoys paying for bags, but are willing to do so in order to dispose of their waste. The point is, they are willing to pay for plastic to replace plastic. No one changed over to paper or burlap or any other material for their waste disposal needs.
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