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Canada Day income tax changes.
July 24, 2025
5:03 pm
BlueSky
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It's all about being able to manage debt in a thoughtful manner. However, the government of the last 10 years just borrowed silly, and in many cases, on interest groups (corps.) or interests that will yield political support. Right now they are running a country without a budget, and not before the fall will they bring down one. All of that, no doubt, will make us pay for the reckless fiscal management in the years ahead.

July 24, 2025
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BlueSky said Right now they are running a country without a budget, and not before the fall will they bring down one.

I don't believe a budget matters all that much, at this point. What is the difference in them telling us beforehand that they will run a $60B deficit as opposed to running as they currently are? Reckless, ridiculous spending is still reckless and ridiculous; whether it is planned, predicted, or otherwise.

July 25, 2025
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What's the point of trying to issue a budget when planning is impossible during Trump's war on Canada?

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July 25, 2025
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RetirEd said
What's the point of trying to issue a budget when planning is impossible during Trump's war on Canada?  

Canada continued to table annual federal budgets throughout 1939–45. They were explicitly framed as war budgets.

Not only did Canada still have budgets; they were the main instruments for mobilizing and managing the country’s wartime finances. Budgets are even more important when facing challenging environment.

July 25, 2025
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So during Trump's reign Canada has no budgets? Trump determines if we have budgets? Budgets are only possible if the future is known? Sounds like some people agree with him that we're not really our own country.

July 25, 2025
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I think the expenditure review is the main reason for the delay in tabling a budget.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-spending-review-cuts-1.7582889

July 25, 2025
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COIN said
I think the expenditure review is the main reason for the delay in tabling a budget.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-spending-review-cuts-1.7582889  

According to Mr Google Canada has a couple of expenditure reviews every decade. Invariably with a budget.

July 25, 2025
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mordko: 1935-1945 was a long time ago. Many different circumstances. The spending review, too. But we are promised a budget "in the fall." Politically, it sure beats making forecasts when they will be publicly treated as broken promises.

I still look at the Chretien/Martin austerity as a rare example of a plan that worked and is now looked back at as as success. Regardless of debt supportability, it's still better to have less of it. When a country makes an investment, it should be paid back.

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July 26, 2025
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Current strategy of “no budget” looks like a natural extension of the “budgets which balance themselves” concept.

Silver lining: if Canada continues to manage finances even less responsibility than the rest of developed non-American world then credit markets will force a course correction. And the good news is that it's going to happen sooner.

Supposedly the government is going to cut costs and allow major projects to go ahead but it falls under “don’t hold your breath”.

July 27, 2025
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We keep hearing that "budgets balance themselves" canard. What both conservatives and liberals have said is that budgets balance themselves IF THE ECONOMY DOES WELL. Which isn't strictly true - one can always spend into deficit - but it's not what is claimed.

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July 27, 2025
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RetirEd said
We keep hearing that "budgets balance themselves" canard. What both conservatives and liberals have said is that budgets balance themselves IF THE ECONOMY DOES WELL. Which isn't strictly true - one can always spend into deficit - but it's not what is claimed.  

That’s a canard, aka false. Fact: There’s no known instance of another prominent Canadian politician explicitly saying “the budget will balance itself”—that phrase is uniquely tied to Justin Trudeau. Conservatives never said this.

July 28, 2025
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I feel the need to pile on here
Justin had to have known the economy would not perform well.
Where I work we compete heavily with companies in Michigan and Ohio. With the added in industrial carbon taxes, it made it much harder for us to be competitive and saw huge CDN sector industry declines.
Justin also put in a decent effort to restrict the prosperity of oil and gas in Alberta so that wasn’t gonna perform as expected
He also forced Chrysler in Brampton and Ford in Oakville to go electric when there was no market or there would be no government money available for retooling so those 10,000 jobs of people that make $100,000 a year we’re all gonna be gone plus all the spinoff supplier jobs.
I’ll basically come out and say I believe Justin was an bold face liar. He absolutely knew he would do nothing but print money and with all his attacks on various industries, there’s no way it was gonna perform better than expected. There wasn’t a snowball's chance in hell of this.

July 28, 2025
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I think the two Trudeaus (father and son) were only interested in social issues and not finances. Neither one ever held a job in the real world (like Pierre's father) where they had to meet the payroll every month.

July 28, 2025
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This thread has gone way too far off from a useful financial discussion, so it is now closed.

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