Topic RSS7:05 pm
January 12, 2019
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A Good Read ➡️ https://financialpost.com/fp-f.....aster-pace
No surprise to most of us here, eh! 
- Dean
" Live Long, Healthy ... And Prosper! " 
8:29 pm
April 6, 2013
OfflineNo pressure actually. The numbers don't mean what you think they mean:
But 24 per cent moved on to a new bank, Heidi Wilson, vice-president of Environics Research’s financial services segment, said, a three-point increase compared to 21 per cent in 2023 and 2021.
“In the 20 years we’ve been running this study, it’s the highest incidence ever of those switching a financial account; 24 per cent, or one in four Canadians, are choosing to go with a financial institution that is not their primary bank,” she said.
A large bank, like RBC, would notice if 21% or 24% of their clients left them in a year.
21% or 24% aren't switching banks. They are just switching an account, like a mortgage, credit card, or brokerage account, and remaining with their existing bank for the remaining products.
5:35 am
April 27, 2017
Offline21% or 24% aren't switching banks. They are just switching an account, like a mortgage, credit card, or brokerage account, and remaining with their existing bank for the remaining products
That’s a claim stated as if it were a fact. In reality some of these 24% switched an account while others switched their primary bank. I am in the latter category. We moved investments out of RBC and TD but we also moved debits out of our RBC chequing account. We still have an RBC chequing account for 2 reasons:
1. We get RBC VIP package for free so having an empty chequing account “just in case” costs us nothing.
2. We are still using RBC’s corp chequing account but it's a bit of a pain with a bunch of silly restrictions and charges. Good news: Wealthsimple is beta testing its corp chequing account.
Regardless, RBC is no longer our primary bank. And the number of people opening accounts outside big 5 is going up; that’s healthy pressure on the big 5.
It's not 24% of clients leaving RBC (nobody made this straw man claim) but I am pretty sure that the big 5 have noticed this trend. Which is good news.
6:47 am
January 10, 2017
OfflineI did some digging to better define the "24%". This is what I found:
"The "Tipping Point": Switching activity hit a record 24% in February 2025, up from previous years.
Market Share Shift: A significant portion of this movement is away from the Big 6 banks toward digital-first institutions. Notably, Wealthsimple led the market in switching-driven growth during this period.
Digital Dominance: Online switching is now the primary channel, accounting for 55% of all switches (up from 49% in the previous wave)."
So about 13.2% use digital channels to accomplish the switch which tells me this percentage is comfortable with Digital First banks. My guess is that the "significance portion" moving away from the big 6 is on the order of 10% with the remaining 14% moving to another big six bank for the generous sign-up offers.
The writing is on the wall, Digital first banks will only get bigger at the expense of the Big Six. RBC, TD and NBC have the most to lose given they currently have no Digital only division.
7:39 am
October 27, 2013
OfflineWhat we do not know is the value of assets moved. Looking at the growth of AUM at places like EQB, Wealthsimple, Oaken Financial, Qtrade, and Questrade is one thought though some digital offerings have also been swallowed up in the other direction. I doubt very much the big 6 are sweating in any shape or form but we may see more promos from them.
7:55 am
January 12, 2019
OfflineCOIN said
Does your money feel more comfortable with the Big 6 banks or the smaller institutions?
- D-pens ⬆️
I'm more comfortable with the 'Security' afforded by the Big 6 ... but I'm also more comfortable with the much better 'SA & GIC Rates' (and fewer fees) of
the Small Fries.
It's a Comfort Zone Balancing Act. 
- Dean
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AltaRed said
. . . I doubt very much the big 6 are sweating in any shape or form, but we may see more promos from them.
It's already started to happen. 
- Dean
" Live Long, Healthy ... And Prosper! " 
9:33 am
September 24, 2019
OfflineDean said
COIN said
Does your money feel more comfortable with the Big 6 banks or the smaller institutions?
D-pens ⬆️
I'm more comfortable with the 'Security' afforded by the Big 6 ... but I'm also more comfortable with the much better 'SA & GIC Rates' (and fewer fees) of
the Small Fries.It's a Comfort Zone Balancing Act.
Dean==============================================================
AltaRed said
. . . I doubt very much the big 6 are sweating in any shape or form, but we may see more promos from them.
It's already started to happen.
Dean
One thing about having accounts with CIBC and RBC, because I have been with them so long, I never pay any bank transfer charges. Each month the charge goes on and then they credit me back that amount. Basically, I totally use CIBC for funneling money out to other on-line banks. If I were to open an account with say Scotia Bank, then I would be charged at the senior's rate for moving money. So, as long as the RBC and CIBC are being so kind, I'll never close my chequing accounts with them. 
11:24 am
March 15, 2019
OnlineI would not switch to a smaller institution for a few extra basis points and I would not switch if they offered many more basis points because it means they have to to pay more to attract deposits meaning the street is worry about them. I lived through the PACE and Home Trust debacles and although I ultimately lost no money it was still a bit of a nervous ride.
Further back in the past several trust companies ran into trouble. Where is Royal Trust now?
12:14 pm
October 27, 2013
OfflineThere is a long track record of smaller firms getting into trouble and being bought/absorbed in larger firms. I am guessing the trend will continue BUT I also believe technology, regulatory changes such as open banking and innovation will allow smart fintechs to survive and blossom.... like Wealthsimple that has the financial backing and the skill sets to survive the early years.
Ultimately, I believe there are no more than half a dozen of those on today's HISA chart that will be here 10, if not 5, years from now. The survivors should become stronger as a result. One can see it in the CU world where there is a profound pace of consolidations taking place...out of necessity.
1:54 pm
April 27, 2017
OfflineIt's not about “a few basis points”. Wealthsimple is offering a much better overall product. Everything is faster, more convenient, more transparent, less painful and without silly restrictions on the number of transfers and the like. They are putting more effort into rewarding loyalty which is smart.
WS has doubled AUM in a year. The question now is whether they can keep improving and expanding their product, quality and growth but the signs are good. Their clients tend to be quite a bit younger which is a good omen (for them; bad omen for the likes of TD).
Hopefully other “new” entrants like Questrade can emulate that kind of service as well.
10:17 am
January 12, 2019
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As for my Wife & I ... we have had a Longstanding relationship with TD Canada Trust (and still do), going way back the the old Canada Trust days . . .
- - Savings & Chequing Accounts.
- Long-since matured GICs.
- Paid-off mortgage.
- TD Investment Accounts (WebBroker).
- etc.
However ... most of our $$$ is now invested 'Elsewhere', with Non-Big 6 FIs
(e.g. Oaken / EQ Bank / Hubert / Saven / MCan / Tang. / etc.). And much of that change can be attributed to what we have learned on This Website (and elsewhere) over the years.
Sign of the times, I guess❗
- Dean
" Live Long, Healthy ... And Prosper! " 
10:41 am
October 27, 2013
OfflineIt would have been nice to see the contents of the actual study the FP was referring to see what was asked in the survey. There is a lot of potential for erroneous conclusions not knowing what was specifically asked, how the sample size was constructed, etc. I think more is being read into it than what is actually the case, i.e. the primary focus seemed to be bank services, and in particular, chequing accounts.
About 57 per cent of the 45,000 people surveyed in 2025 had opened a new bank account or banking product within the preceding 12 months, though 33 per cent of them “remained loyal” to their primary financial institution
In particular, it’s the highest incidence ever of those opening up a new chequing account at a competitor. That should be alarming because once you open up that new chequing account, those other accounts follow
2:26 pm
January 12, 2019
Offline3:02 pm
April 21, 2022
OfflineDean said
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Of course ... with the likes of Simplii and Tangerine, some of the Big 6 (CIBC & Scotia) are playing Both Sides of the field.And why not, eh. Then they can have it Both Ways !
Any guesses as to which of the Big 6 will be next?
Dean
BMO would be my guess, RBC and TD are far to arrogant. NBC, just not ready to play in the virtual bank environment.
5:44 pm
April 6, 2013
OfflineDean said
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Any guesses as to which of the Big 6 will be next?
None of the Big 6.
BMO won't. BMO had a partnership with Sobey's just like CIBC did with Loblaw. No digital-only BMO accounts came from those BMO Club Sobey accounts after the BMO-Sobey partnership ended.
Digital-only banking has no value, not even to an existing digital-only bank. Equitable Bank didn't even bother to migrate the digital-only Wyth Financial clients when they bought Concentra Bank.
Wyth account holders were given the URL to the EQ Bank site and instructed to sign themselves up, link their Wyth accounts themselves, and transfer the funds themselves before the Wyth accounts were closed.
6:26 pm
April 6, 2013
OfflineAltaRed said
…. There is a lot of potential for erroneous conclusions not knowing what was specifically asked, how the sample size was constructed, etc. I think more is being read into it than what is actually the case, …
More is being read into the numbers than actually is the case.
The poll defines moving on/switching to a new bank as opening an account/product at a bank that isn't one's main bank:
Canadians are increasingly switching financial institutions, …, according to a study by Environics Research.
About 57 per cent of the 45,000 people surveyed in 2025 had opened a new bank account or banking product within the preceding 12 months, though 33 per cent of them “remained loyal” to their primary financial institution.
But [57 per cent minus 33 per cent =] 24 per cent moved on to a new bank, Heidi Wilson, vice-president of Environics Research’s financial services segment, said, a three-point increase compared to 21 per cent in 2023 and 2021.
“In the 20 years we’ve been running this study, it’s the highest incidence ever of those switching a financial account; 24 per cent, or one in four Canadians, are choosing to go with a financial institution that is not their primary bank,” she said.
With that definition of switching to another bank, Dean has "switched" from TD at least six times now and still has accounts with TD!
Dean said
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As for my Wife & I ... we have had a Longstanding relationship with TD Canada Trust (and still do), going way back the the old Canada Trust days . . .- Savings & Chequing Accounts.
…
- TD Investment Accounts (WebBroker).
- etc.However ... most of our $$$ is now invested 'Elsewhere', with Non-Big 6 FIs
(e.g. Oaken 1 / EQ Bank 2 / Hubert 3 / Saven 4 / MCan 5 / Tang. 6 / etc.). …
…
9:14 am
January 12, 2019
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- All True ⬆️
But in the end, it's ... 'All About The Money' ... isn't it ?
Yes, we still maintain SAs and a Chequing at TD, but the amount of money we keep in them is at most, Negligible. And we haven't had a GIC with them for many years now.
Other than our Investment Accounts, all our other funds (SAs, GICs, etc.) are now 'Elsewhere' ... and have been for quite some time now.
Our use of one of the Big 6 as a banking source, is but a Faint Shadow of what it used to be. And I suspect that's what has happened with many others here on these forums, as well.
Yes, the overall general public is still with the Big 6 ... but the Cracks are starting to show. 
- Dean
" Live Long, Healthy ... And Prosper! " 
10:59 am
April 6, 2013
OfflineDean said
.All True ⬆️But in the end, it's ... 'All About The Money' ... isn't it ?
Actually, it is about the profits and not the money.
The large banks have learned that it is better to not accept high-cost deposits when they can attract enough lower-cost ones.
RBC does know about Oaken's 2.80% savings account. RBC isn't going to match that 2.8% when it can attract enough savings account deposits with their 0.55% eSavings rate.
The banks have started to apply that discipline to their mortgage lending too. One isn't going to be offered their best mortgage rates now with no relationship. See bank CEO comments reported in Some banks rethinking strategy on mortgage competition.
The big banks do know how to find a sweet spot price for their products. Investor Economics reported that the Big Six Banks had over 75% of the high interest savings account deposits in Canada in December 2021 with low rates they offered on those accounts.
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