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March 25, 2014
6:00 pm
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Hello,

First, thanks for this site, for taking the time to compile so much information.

But I'm at a point where there might be too much information - and where I can't find the little bit I'm looking for.

Context: long time ING customer, but the last interest drop makes it a "high interest" account no more. Time for a change.

I'm currently comparing the various saving accounts available. My requirements:
- must be available in Quebec (this info is easy to find)
- must allow electronic fund transfers to and from my "regular" bank through a web interface (calling/writing is not acceptable), preferably for free. This part was working superbly with ING.
- I don't care about RRSP/GIC/TFSA at this time - only plain old saving accounts; nor do I care about checking accounts or credit cards - I'm fairly satisfied with my bank at this time.

I found the chart here and thought that was what the "transfer" line was describing, but since, I found various posts stating (for example) that Implicity's still working on their system and that PeopleTrust only allow transfer over mail/phone - so I'm confused.

I checked the various institutions' web sites... and am now even more confused.

Pointers as well as first-hand experience and both very welcome.

Thanks.

March 25, 2014
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Check here for the ones that accept Quebec customers and see if they meet your needs.
https://www.highinterestsavings.ca/chart/

March 26, 2014
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Sorry to have made my question unnecessarily complex. Let me try again.

Among the 14 financial institutions described in the chart that kanaka linked in his post above, which one(s) have an online banking web site that allows to make fund transfers to and from a checking account held in one of the 5 Canadian big banks?

I know that it's possible with ING.
After reading this, I get to the conclusion that Implicity doesn't.
After reading this (which is old), I get to the conclusion that PeopleTrust doesn't.

Thanks

March 26, 2014
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I have Peoples Trust, President's Choice Financial and Canadian Direct Financial savings accounts. They all allow me to EFT funds to/from my Scotia chequing account and I don't see why not with any of the chequing accounts in the big 5. The transfers take a few days each way (more so when moving out of PT and CDF) but that shouldn't be a problem for anyone.

March 26, 2014
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Pick the best institution. If no online transfers then use the old fashioned cheque and ATM card. I image. Over the next few years cheques will become a thing of the past and financial institutions will all have an online method.

March 26, 2014
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AltaRed: Super. Exactly what I was looking for. Hopefully, others will chime in for a few other institutions.
Kanaka: At this time, having bi-directional EFT with my checking account is a mandatory requirement in my definition of "the best institution" sf-smile

Thanks

March 27, 2014
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I haven't actually tried to do this yet, but I think I can do it at Peoples.

March 27, 2014
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Yes, you can do a bi-directional (push or pull) EFT with People's Trust online. I regularly do so with my PC Financial chequing account. Don't know about the other institutions.

April 27, 2014
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AltaRed said

I have Peoples Trust, President's Choice Financial and Canadian Direct Financial savings accounts.

Just wondering: If you were going to keep just one of these, which would you choose? I'm hoping to find a bank that consistently offers better interest rates than my BigBank (both for HiS and GICs) and would interact reasonably well with same. It doesn't have to be the best in every category, but I am looking for good marks in all categories.

Does anyone else have an opinion about which bank would be the best all-purpose choice?

April 27, 2014
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Look at the comparison charts in this forum https://www.highinterestsavings.ca/chart/ and then click on both the Services and Profiles tabs to look at select ones. It depends on what you are looking for.

Some people are okay with credit unions and others will only stick to banks.

April 27, 2014
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oldlady said

AltaRed said

I have Peoples Trust, President's Choice Financial and Canadian Direct Financial savings accounts.

Just wondering: If you were going to keep just one of these, which would you choose? I'm hoping to find a bank that consistently offers better interest rates than my BigBank (both for HiS and GICs) and would interact reasonably well with same. It doesn't have to be the best in every category, but I am looking for good marks in all categories.

Does anyone else have an opinion about which bank would be the best all-purpose choice?

Depends upon your needs.
For Savings with higher rates I use:
Accelerate for rates and good service.
Outlook Financial for rates with the ability to early redeem with penalty with so so service.
Oaken for rates and good service so far.

For day to day banking and sort of local:
BMO and Coast Capital.

I truly believe in NOT being loyal and to take advantage of good rates when you can. I have a Hubert account but am not a huge fan.

April 28, 2014
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oldlady said

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Just wondering: If you were going to keep just one of these, which would you choose?

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Why limit yourself to just one? I currently hold accounts at Canadian Tire Financial, ING and PC Financial. There is almost no time when I have money at more than one of these as I move money to the best of the three.

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April 28, 2014
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I like the various Manitoba Credit Unions but most of my money is at Implicity. They've only been around for just over a year but they have proved to be the most consistent over that time with rate predictability. They currently offer the best savings rate (except for the various specials offered by others which will drop dramatically when they expire in a couple of months) and Implicity tends to offer the best GIC rates. And their fees are far better than the other Manitoba virtual offerings.

April 28, 2014
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As you said, Implicity has been here for over the year. Every new bank will have great rates initially. That was the case with ING, ICICI, PC Fin and all the others. As soon as they have enough customers they will equal or have even lower rates.
But, enjoy Implicity's rate while they last. I am little bit tired of jumping all over the place and opening accounts all over the country. Some of my funds are with People's Trust. Even though their daily interest rate is just 1.8%, they have internet banking while none of Credit unions has it yet. I might be wrong, though, but 3 major I follow do not have it.
It is very complicated to deposit funds (have to find special ATM) and withdrawal is possible by cheque only. And some even charge for the cheques...

April 29, 2014
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Implicity is fee free, allows access with cheques, debit cards, and thru the Acculink ATM network which is all over Canada (a bit sparse in Ontario though as reported by others?). I'm not sure what you mean about not having internet banking. They all have Internet banking. Unless you mean me-to-me transfers. Which you're correct, few do. But I'm still hopeful that Implicity will have something by summer as they have suggested. But it's not a big concern for my particular needs at the moment. Implicity still offers more access than the other Manitoba CU's and their rates are constantly better than most, and fee free. But each to their own.

May 4, 2014
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kanaka said

For Savings with higher rates I use:
Accelerate for rates and good service.
Outlook Financial for rates with the ability to early redeem with penalty with so so service.
Oaken for rates and good service so far.

I truly believe in NOT being loyal and to take advantage of good rates when you can. .

Thanks for the recommendations, especially Oaken. This bank looks attractive but the only review I found here was quite negative so I hesitated to try it.

I admire the people who are able to switch from bank to bank in a timely fashion, etc., but sadly I'm just not one of them. Experience has shown me that the best I am able to do is to find the One Bank to Rule Them All (or perhaps its next of kin) and that I can expect to stay there until it has behaved so badly that I am more or less forced to move. sf-cry Hence the importance (for me) of identifying an institution with prospects of being consistently good in all areas. This is also why I'm interested in hearing others' experiences with various institutions over time, in addition to looking at their current practices.

June 12, 2014
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I have been looking at this question again too. I much prefer to sit at home and move the money around rather than get out to a bank or ATM in bad weather.

Getting back to the original question, excluding the question about QC availability,
I conclude that EFT is only available currently at CDF, Hubert, Peoples Trust, PC Financial and Tangerine, of which only Hubert, CDF and Peoples Trust offer rates in the higher end of the range.

Implicity and Oaken both say they will be offering EFT in the foreseeable future.

My main issue is pulling the money out, which is harder to negotiate in most cases. The next best bet to EFT seems to be through cheques, in which case there are 2 issues: cost of the cheques themselves and cost of processing a cheque. It looks to me like Accelerate might be best on this score because they currently offer 1.9%, do not charge for the cheques, and will process 1 cheque per month without a fee.

Is this summary correct, or have I missed something?

July 5, 2014
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I can only compare CTC, People's and Canadian Direct. CTC became uncompetitive on rates a year ago or more, and therefore lost most of my money, but they have the most prompt online transfers to and from. They also had, for 2 years, 'bait' deals on TFSA rates to grab money and then dropped the rates without any drop in general market rates elsewhere, 3 months later, so they lost my TFSA as well. People's is almost as good and I've had no problems, except they dropped their rate slightly and the competition didn't. Canadian Direct has good rates for a CDIC insured bank but their online transfer system is usually dead slow. If you have to get cash to cover a stock purchase for example, which has to be funded 3 days after the stock purchase, you might be OK, but I wouldn't depend on it... Now I have heard Canadian Direct is in testing for a different competitive online transfer system. When they get something the same as CTC and People's, they get more business. Meanwhile, just use it for money you want to park for some time. My 2 cents.

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July 6, 2014
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dougjp said

I can only compare CTC, People's and Canadian Direct. CTC became uncompetitive on rates a year ago or more, and therefore lost most of my money, but they have the most prompt online transfers to and from. They also had, for 2 years, 'bait' deals on TFSA rates to grab money and then dropped the rates without any drop in general market rates elsewhere, 3 months later, so they lost my TFSA as well. People's is almost as good and I've had no problems, except they dropped their rate slightly and the competition didn't. Canadian Direct has good rates for a CDIC insured bank but their online transfer system is usually dead slow. If you have to get cash to cover a stock purchase for example, which has to be funded 3 days after the stock purchase, you might be OK, but I wouldn't depend on it... Now I have heard Canadian Direct is in testing for a different competitive online transfer system. When they get something the same as CTC and People's, they get more business. Meanwhile, just use it for money you want to park for some time. My 2 cents.

I can comment on Canadian Direct Financial. Their online transfer is awful and slow, and quite different from others. A few days ago, after finishing a transfer, a survey popped up. Then I wrote criticism comments on the survey. Hope they will listen.

Other than that, their savings rate 1.9%, TFSA 2.25% (only lower than People's), GIC 5-year 2.75%. Best of all, they have free chequing account(first book free, subsequent chargeable). Only President's Choice/Tangerine offer free chequing but their interest rate is only 1.3%.

July 7, 2014
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I have always liked Implicity and now they are even better with their new Me2Me transfer tool. They have been around for the past year and a half ( a division of Entegra Credit Union in Manitoba - since 1960). They have 100% deposit guarantee from the Deposit Guarantee Corporation of Manitoba.

Their GIC rates have been top of market ever since they started. Current rates are:
1 Year 2.25
2 Year 2.41
3 Year 2.51
4 Year 2.65
5 Year 2.80
6 Year 2.90

Their non-registered High Interest Savings rates have been consistent and at top of market (except when there have been specials offered by others) currently paying 1.90%. For the most part fee free too!! sf-cool

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